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wiki.pine

5 Apr 2017 5 Apr '17

6:31 p.m.

FYI: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/04/04/new-nonprofit-consortium-will-foc… Involved parties include some names that will be familiar to Wikimedians and WMFers: "AppNexus, Betaworks, Craig Newmark Philanthropic Fund, Democracy Fund, Ford Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, Mozilla, and the Tow Foundation." Pine

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Rogol Domedonfors

8 Apr 8 Apr

3:50 p.m.

On a related note, the Foundation Blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/07/misinfocon-fake-news/ proudly announces that "the Wikimedia Foundation joined a handful of media organization at the MIT Media Lab to lend their expertise at MisInfoCon". That's certainly good to hear, but a little short on details In the interests, of transparency, please could someone post a pointer to a fuller description of the expertise that the Foundation has in this area (as opposed to the community of volunteers), and a pointer to the submissions, papers or other contributions that those experts made at the meeting? "Rogol" On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM, wiki.pine <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

FYI: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/04/04/new-nonprofit- consortium-will-focus-countering-fake-news-building-trust-media/ Involved parties include some names that will be familiar to Wikimedians and WMFers: "AppNexus, Betaworks, Craig Newmark Philanthropic Fund, Democracy Fund, Ford Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, Mozilla, and the Tow Foundation." Pine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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pi zero

10 Apr 10 Apr

8:44 a.m.

English Wikinews took serious measures for reliability back in 2009. For our pains, we've received mostly grief from the Foundation, and from a vocal segment of the Wikipedian community. If they consulted, before this expertise-lending, with the sister project that specializes in vetting-before-publishing (one of the defining characteristics of news), I'm not aware of it. In fairness, Wikipedia might plausibly claim to have some expertise in dealing with the consequences of /not/ vetting before publication, and those consequences are legitimately of interest (but I agree the passage abound lending expertise cries for explanation; there's irony in talking about propaganda in a piece on the wikimedia blog, which tbh I consider a Foundation propaganda outlet). On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On a related note, the Foundation Blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/07/misinfocon-fake-news/ proudly announces that "the Wikimedia Foundation joined a handful of media organization at the MIT Media Lab to lend their expertise at MisInfoCon". That's certainly good to hear, but a little short on details In the interests, of transparency, please could someone post a pointer to a fuller description of the expertise that the Foundation has in this area (as opposed to the community of volunteers), and a pointer to the submissions, papers or other contributions that those experts made at the meeting? "Rogol" On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM, wiki.pine <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

FYI: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/04/04/new-nonprofit- consortium-will-focus-countering-fake-news-building-trust-media/ Involved parties include some names that will be familiar to Wikimedians and WMFers: "AppNexus, Betaworks, Craig Newmark Philanthropic Fund, Democracy Fund, Ford Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, Mozilla, and the Tow Foundation." Pine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Gerard Meijssen

1:11 p.m.

Hoi, Vetting before publication proved a failure. It is why we have Wikipedia and not Nupedia. Thanks, GerardM On 10 April 2017 at 14:44, pi zero <wn.pi.zero(a)gmail.com> wrote:

English Wikinews took serious measures for reliability back in 2009. For our pains, we've received mostly grief from the Foundation, and from a vocal segment of the Wikipedian community. If they consulted, before this expertise-lending, with the sister project that specializes in vetting-before-publishing (one of the defining characteristics of news), I'm not aware of it. In fairness, Wikipedia might plausibly claim to have some expertise in dealing with the consequences of /not/ vetting before publication, and those consequences are legitimately of interest (but I agree the passage abound lending expertise cries for explanation; there's irony in talking about propaganda in a piece on the wikimedia blog, which tbh I consider a Foundation propaganda outlet). On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On a related note, the Foundation Blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/07/misinfocon-fake-news/ proudly announces that "the Wikimedia Foundation joined a handful of media organization at the MIT Media Lab to lend their expertise at MisInfoCon". That's certainly good to hear, but a little short on details In the interests, of transparency, please could someone post a pointer to a

fuller

description of the expertise that the Foundation has in this area (as opposed to the community of volunteers), and a pointer to the

submissions,

papers or other contributions that those experts made at the meeting? "Rogol" On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM, wiki.pine <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote: > FYI: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/04/04/new-nonprofit- > consortium-will-focus-countering-fake-news-building-trust-media/ > Involved parties include some names that will be familiar to

Wikimedians

> and WMFers: "AppNexus, Betaworks, Craig Newmark Philanthropic Fund, > Democracy Fund, Ford Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight

Foundation,

Mozilla, and the Tow Foundation." Pine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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pi zero

2:01 p.m.

Nupedia had severely defective strategy and tactics. It was also an encyclopedia, not a news project. So it has pretty much zero bearing on any aspect of the current situation. On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, Vetting before publication proved a failure. It is why we have Wikipedia and not Nupedia. Thanks, GerardM On 10 April 2017 at 14:44, pi zero <wn.pi.zero(a)gmail.com> wrote:

English Wikinews took serious measures for reliability back in 2009. For our pains, we've received mostly grief from the Foundation, and from a vocal segment of the Wikipedian community. If they consulted, before

this

expertise-lending, with the sister project that specializes in vetting-before-publishing (one of the defining characteristics of news), I'm not aware of it. In fairness, Wikipedia might plausibly claim to

have

some expertise in dealing with the consequences of /not/ vetting before publication, and those consequences are legitimately of interest (but I agree the passage abound lending expertise cries for explanation; there's irony in talking about propaganda in a piece on the wikimedia blog, which tbh I consider a Foundation propaganda outlet). On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com wrote: > On a related note, the Foundation Blog > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/07/misinfocon-fake-news/ proudly > announces that "the Wikimedia Foundation joined a handful of media > organization at the MIT Media Lab to lend their expertise at

MisInfoCon".

That's certainly good to hear, but a little short on details In the interests, of transparency, please could someone post a pointer to a

fuller

description of the expertise that the Foundation has in this area (as opposed to the community of volunteers), and a pointer to the

submissions, > papers or other contributions that those experts made at the meeting? > > "Rogol" > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM, wiki.pine <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> FYI: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/04/04/new-nonprofit- > consortium-will-focus-countering-fake-news-building-trust-media/ > Involved parties include some names that will be familiar to

Wikimedians

> and WMFers: "AppNexus, Betaworks, Craig Newmark Philanthropic Fund, > Democracy Fund, Ford Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight

Foundation, > > Mozilla, and the Tow Foundation." > > Pine > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/

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Rogol Domedonfors

27 Apr 27 Apr

5:22 p.m.

Will the Foundation be seeking to join in the initiative and possibly secure some funding to support and enhance the Wikinews projects? It seems that some of the supporters of this project are already donors to the Foundation, so there is a pre-existing relationship. "Rogol" On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:31 PM, wiki.pine <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:

FYI: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2017/04/04/new-nonprofit- consortium-will-focus-countering-fake-news-building-trust-media/ Involved parties include some names that will be familiar to Wikimedians and WMFers: "AppNexus, Betaworks, Craig Newmark Philanthropic Fund, Democracy Fund, Ford Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, Mozilla, and the Tow Foundation." Pine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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