On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:41 PM Yair Rand &lt;yyairrand(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: policy, It Are you suggesting that the Foundation may not take any political positions at all? environmentalism. I doubt that more than 20% of the long-term project editor base share that opinion. Can you point to even a single instance other than your own dozen or two complaints to this list of anyone opposed to the WMF's Sustainability Initiative. The only comments about it ever say that it should be doing more (I agree: we should be flexing our muscle with the datacenter operators to ask them to buy renewable power, perhaps in return for the visibility of a joint press release or acknowledgment on a high-traffic page, or both.) And again, I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base is opposed to campaign finance reform, which was the only only issue championed by the Earth Day Live sponsors, and I doubt less than 10% thinks that both issues support the Mission to "engage and empower" free content contributors. Similarly for living wage standards, which support the ability of editors to fund their living so they don't, for example, need to take two jobs and thereby lack time to edit. I am sure you can see the connection, but for whatever reason you simply choose not to. I repeat my request for the Foundation to survey the editor base to put an end to this disruptive bickering. -Will _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:00 AM Bill Takatoshi &lt;billtakatoshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base has any opinion on this “campaign finance reform” (or, for the most part, know what that is). I guess it has something to do with the political parties in the United States? Sorry, I’m not interested in that very much.

literally On the contrary, by definition, it would be restricted to the subset of ways to make people's lives better which also allow them more time to edit. The contrapositive of 'because' is 'is caused by.' If campaign finance reform makes people's lives better and allows them more time to edit, then there would seem to be five categories: 'active opposition,' 'inactive opposition,' 'silence,' 'inactive support,' 'active support.' Obviously the Board wants to do what supports the community, employees, donors, and readership, not necessarily in that order.