Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge of those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia projects in their language - Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in the promotion of indigenous languages - Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect and share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects with indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a dedicated mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
Thanks, JP Béland (alias Amqui)
Great idea! In Iberocoop we have discussed a lot about the topic so it will be really helpful a project like this.
I'll forward this to Iberocoop-l
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge of those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect and share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects with indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a dedicated mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
Thanks, JP Béland (alias Amqui) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Thanks to JP for the invitation to this new project, one that began to take off in Wikimedia Mexico, and which are already actively working members of our chapter. We are very happy to share our experiences.
Saludos.
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge of those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect and share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects with indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a dedicated mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
Thanks, JP Béland (alias Amqui) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Good day,
the mailing list has been created for WIL on you are welcome to join: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages ( languages@lists.wikimedia.org).
Gracias, JP
2012/8/29 Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com
Thanks to JP for the invitation to this new project, one that began to take off in Wikimedia Mexico, and which are already actively working members of our chapter. We are very happy to share our experiences.
Saludos.
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous
Languages
(WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge
of
those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect
and
share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects
with
indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a
dedicated
mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
Thanks, JP Béland (alias Amqui) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
-- *Atentamente:
Iván Martínez Coordinador General Wikimedia México mx.wikimedia.org
Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total del conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo http://es.wikipedia.org. * _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
I think it is important to add that all initiatives should be, as much as possible, driven by indigenous people themselves and their priorities, rather than consist of non-speakers, non-community members doing things "for them" or "on their behalf".
If we want to talk about "stakeholders", let's please remember that the _native_ speakers (not people learning the language as a hobby) are the main stakeholders, they should be making the decisions as much as possible and they should be creating the major part of the content; the rest of us should be in "support positions".
Anything else, especially as part of a large international organization rooted in a western society (Wikipedia was born in the US in a circle of non-indigenous people, and most of the major people in our movement are not indigenous), would be likely to receive only lukewarm support from indigenous communities.
Lots of similar initiatives from lots of organizations and governments have languished with little support from native speakers due to the same paternalistic attitudes that are created time and time again. One example I would like to share of this happening within our own movement is that of certain people who create hundreds of pages in a language they barely speak at incubator, on behalf of some idealized group of "native speakers", and then when the native speakers actually arrive, shouting them down or telling them why their views are not valid (the indigenous person in their mind was more "noble" and "exotic" and "special" than the real one, perhaps?). This has actually happened a lot in Wikipedias created before the incubation process existed (Nahuatl Wikipedia saw it happen multiple times, Uyghur Wikipedia saw it happen at one point, countless others where "hobbyists" shot down real native speakers).
Just some thoughts.
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge of those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect and share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects with indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a dedicated mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
Thanks, JP Béland (alias Amqui) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Good day,
What you say is obviously right. Here's what I have written for the approach strategy in the Canada Strategy Plan to Reach Aboriginal Communities, but is generic enough to apply pretty much everywhere: To achieve success we need to not force our approach to potential partners, but enhance their own goals by the use of Wikimedia projects, primarily Wikipedia. Since using the languages on a every-day basis and at school is the best solution to save them, the focus of project cannot be solely on Wikipedia, but preferably with Wikipedia as a tool in an overall community-based project. The key thing to remember no matter what's the chosen approach is the importance of making it simple for the Native contributors.
So, the ideal solution in my view would be to join existing initiatives and projects within indigenous communities and show them how Wikimedia projects offer a low-cost option to achieve their goals. However, I think by actively seeking cooperation with and showing them opportunities, we may be the spark that they need to start a community-based project.
Here`s the strategy plan I was talking about for the Canadian project: http://wikimedia.ca/wiki/Projects/Aboriginal_communities_outreach
Again, thanks for your input and this is definetly something everybody involved need to keep in mind.
Wela'lin (thanks in Mi'kmaq), JP
2012/8/30, M. Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
I think it is important to add that all initiatives should be, as much as possible, driven by indigenous people themselves and their priorities, rather than consist of non-speakers, non-community members doing things "for them" or "on their behalf".
If we want to talk about "stakeholders", let's please remember that the _native_ speakers (not people learning the language as a hobby) are the main stakeholders, they should be making the decisions as much as possible and they should be creating the major part of the content; the rest of us should be in "support positions".
Anything else, especially as part of a large international organization rooted in a western society (Wikipedia was born in the US in a circle of non-indigenous people, and most of the major people in our movement are not indigenous), would be likely to receive only lukewarm support from indigenous communities.
Lots of similar initiatives from lots of organizations and governments have languished with little support from native speakers due to the same paternalistic attitudes that are created time and time again. One example I would like to share of this happening within our own movement is that of certain people who create hundreds of pages in a language they barely speak at incubator, on behalf of some idealized group of "native speakers", and then when the native speakers actually arrive, shouting them down or telling them why their views are not valid (the indigenous person in their mind was more "noble" and "exotic" and "special" than the real one, perhaps?). This has actually happened a lot in Wikipedias created before the incubation process existed (Nahuatl Wikipedia saw it happen multiple times, Uyghur Wikipedia saw it happen at one point, countless others where "hobbyists" shot down real native speakers).
Just some thoughts.
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge of those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect and share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects with indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a dedicated mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
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In Mexico we have clear this point. Instead, I want to add this point as one of the first and elemental approach to the indigenous communities initiative. We are sharing and working tools for their development, coordinated with indigenous digital natives who have access to tech resources in some places of the country. In some talks, we act as facilitators with enthusiasts and communities and we always note to them that start any project requires a commitment and management of their own.
In fact, the mexican indigenous communities have two concepts very similar to our Commons philosophy: the "tequio", or communal work, and the idea of sharing of free knowledge, which does not belong to anyone and is made together, so it should not take a loan to someone specific. One example that gave us a nahuatl community is that they refusing to participate in more academic projects because they are clear that the sharing and knowledge to researchers and institutions doesn't have any benefit back to their community and they refuse a paternalistic attitude.
This first point of respect and collaboration as "one more" is the essential key for communities give trust to work with our project and with any other. By now, some enthusiastic (many of whom already work digital projects in their own communities) are very clear on Western bias.
2012/8/30 M. Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
I think it is important to add that all initiatives should be, as much as possible, driven by indigenous people themselves and their priorities, rather than consist of non-speakers, non-community members doing things "for them" or "on their behalf".
If we want to talk about "stakeholders", let's please remember that the _native_ speakers (not people learning the language as a hobby) are the main stakeholders, they should be making the decisions as much as possible and they should be creating the major part of the content; the rest of us should be in "support positions".
Anything else, especially as part of a large international organization rooted in a western society (Wikipedia was born in the US in a circle of non-indigenous people, and most of the major people in our movement are not indigenous), would be likely to receive only lukewarm support from indigenous communities.
Lots of similar initiatives from lots of organizations and governments have languished with little support from native speakers due to the same paternalistic attitudes that are created time and time again. One example I would like to share of this happening within our own movement is that of certain people who create hundreds of pages in a language they barely speak at incubator, on behalf of some idealized group of "native speakers", and then when the native speakers actually arrive, shouting them down or telling them why their views are not valid (the indigenous person in their mind was more "noble" and "exotic" and "special" than the real one, perhaps?). This has actually happened a lot in Wikipedias created before the incubation process existed (Nahuatl Wikipedia saw it happen multiple times, Uyghur Wikipedia saw it happen at one point, countless others where "hobbyists" shot down real native speakers).
Just some thoughts.
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous
Languages
(WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge
of
those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect
and
share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects
with
indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a
dedicated
mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
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Good day,
I'd like to let all interested people know that a mailing list has been created to discuss this project: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages ( languages@lists.wikimedia.org).
Note that this is also the list for general discussion about languages-related topics as well, so if you are interested in those, please join.
Thanks, JP
2012/8/29 JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
Good day,
I'm pleased to announce you the creation of Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL). WIL is the coordinating body for the promotion and development of indigenous on Wikimedia projects.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages (or just search WIL on Meta)
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' vision is to see the sum of the knowledge available to everybody in their own languages and to share the knowledge of those languages themselves. It will achieve that by:
- Reaching indigenous languages speakers for the development of Wikimedia
projects in their language
- Establishing working cooperation with outside organizations involved in
the promotion of indigenous languages
- Creating and expanding Wikimedia projects in all indigenous languages
Wikimedia Indigenous Languages' role is to support and encourage the efforts of specific projects to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages. It will serve as an international body to collect and share best practices, lessons learned and methodology to develop small languages Wikimedia projects and preserve endangered languages. It will also offer support to people interested in developing initiatives and new projects. It will also become the point of contact to set up cooperation with other organizations working towards the same goals and will also actively seek such cooperation opportunities.
Anybody or any group who is interested in this project or any projects with indigenous languages are welcome to join Wikimedia Indigenous Languages. For questions or further discussion, come on the talk page, and a dedicated mailing list to discuss languages-related issue and initiatives will soon be crated.
Thanks, JP Béland (alias Amqui)
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org