On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:59 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Which email ? the crowdfunding email? Austin, do the list admins have another perspective to justify their action?
-- John Vandenberg
I'd like the answer to this question too.
On 24 February 2015 at 13:55, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like the answer to this question too.
Could there be some transparency please? I believe it would be a good time for the list mods to publicly decide how appeals to moderation or list-bans should work in a way that is credibly non-partisan to the community.
Moderation should be seen to be fair and not subject to allegations of it's a question of who is mates with whom, or who wants to keep the most political capital with unnamed power-holders.
Fae
2015-02-24 14:55 GMT+01:00 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:59 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Which email ? the crowdfunding email? Austin, do the list admins have another perspective to justify their action?
[...]
I'd like the answer to this question too.
It does seem the crowdfunding e-mail, also the original e-mail was crossposted to Commons-l and WIkimedia-l. Possibly Nemo overlooked this, but anyway I do not think this is a good reason to put someone in the moderation list. If this was the rationale, this action should be undone.
C
Hello,
On English Wikipedia I have met with resistance in documenting crowdfunding projects. I would like clarity on the extent to which the Wikimedia community feels that it is acceptable to discuss crowdfunding in Wikimedia community information channels.
I posted about this on the talk page < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Crowdfunding#User_banned_for_di...
If [[WP:CROWDFUNDING]], which is mostly blanked pending a community discussion of whether crowdfunding can be mentioned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Crowdfunding
yours,
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com wrote:
2015-02-24 14:55 GMT+01:00 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:59 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Which email ? the crowdfunding email? Austin, do the list admins have another perspective to justify their action?
[...]
I'd like the answer to this question too.
It does seem the crowdfunding e-mail, also the original e-mail was crossposted to Commons-l and WIkimedia-l. Possibly Nemo overlooked this, but anyway I do not think this is a good reason to put someone in the moderation list. If this was the rationale, this action should be undone.
C
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2015-02-24 15:52 GMT+01:00 Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com:
On English Wikipedia I have met with resistance in documenting crowdfunding projects. I would like clarity on the extent to which the Wikimedia community feels that it is acceptable to discuss crowdfunding in Wikimedia community information channels.
As far as this mailing list [i.e. Wikimedia-l] is concerned I can say that Wikimedia-related crowdfunding projects have been discussed here in the past.
The first example is probably the "The Vanamo Online Game Museum"[1] campaign and the last is a project to collect funds for a Wimiedian photographer whose equipment was stolen[2]. Not to mention the WikiCheese campaign[3] by Wikimedia France which generated more than some 50 messages on this list.
C
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-November/128695.html [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-December/075706.html [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-November/075476.html
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com wrote:
2015-02-24 15:52 GMT+01:00 Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com:
On English Wikipedia I have met with resistance in documenting crowdfunding projects. I would like clarity on the extent to which the Wikimedia community feels that it is acceptable to discuss crowdfunding in Wikimedia community information channels.
With more and more Wikimedians engaging in crowdfunding, I suppose we can talk about whether the mailing list for Wikimedia movement organization is the place to advertise in this way. For my part, I don't think a simple (i.e., without any additional context) "please check out this Indiegogo" is any different from "hey, check out my blog," so when the last one came through the queue I rejected it without much thought. It certainly wasn't done with any prejudice.
As far as this mailing list [i.e. Wikimedia-l] is concerned I can say that Wikimedia-related crowdfunding projects have been discussed here in the past.
The first example is probably the "The Vanamo Online Game Museum"[1] campaign and the last is a project to collect funds for a Wimiedian photographer whose equipment was stolen[2]. Not to mention the WikiCheese campaign[3] by Wikimedia France which generated more than some 50 messages on this list.
That's true. In the case of the former, the post was never held for moderation, and it was *so* not a big deal that I didn't think twice about that one, either. WikiCheese was a bit of fun that made us all smile, and I guess if you really wanted to analyze it (I don't), it was a project that invited broader participation and benefited the community as a whole.
But, again, I really didn't care either way. The only reason this came up here is because the latest poster had been put on moderation, and some people are still unhappy about that.
Austin
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
With more and more Wikimedians engaging in crowdfunding, I suppose we can talk about whether the mailing list for Wikimedia movement organization is the place to advertise in this way. For my part, I don't think a simple (i.e., without any additional context) "please check out this Indiegogo" is any different from "hey, check out my blog," so when the last one came through the queue I rejected it without much thought. It certainly wasn't done with any prejudice.
For my part, I always like to see crowdfunding pitches from Wikimedians. There haven't been *that* many of them (maybe 8 or 10?), and so far they've all (that I've seen) come from prolific contributors.
These crowdfunding pitches generally take a lot more effort to put together than a blog post does, and they are also easy and satisfying to act on. If I can take 3 minutes and a few dollars to simultaneously say thanks to a great contributor and help them make even better contributions, I'm grateful for that opportunity.
-Sage
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