Anthony, I don´t think it is posible to merge both projects, wikiasari and peerpedia.
Though the central person is Jim Wales, but he already decided to built a project without
the foundation and one for profit. As well the proposal concept for wikiasari is still
missing, if it is central or decentral. So I recommend to have the wikifoundation to run
as well a search propject the p2p way.
Just my to cents. If there are persons, which decide to act, it then really a question of
freedom in organizations. Open source is one thing, but freedom from the hierachy is one
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Betreff: Re: [Foundation-l] in defence of Google
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I'd love to see Google torn down and replaced
with an open source
collaborative search engine run democratically by the world. I'd love
to have access to a search engine as good as Google, with a truly open
API (i.e. sans http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/api_terms.html
and with all the results being released under an open content license.
Is Wikimedia the one to do that? It's arguable whether it'd be
within the scope of the Foundation's mission. And in any case, I
haven't seen a reasonable proposal of how to do it. So I guess when
it comes to that point, we're both in agreement. And yeah. Google
did good. Google does good. But Google did bad, too. Google does
bad, too. And Microsoft also did/does good/bad.
Who is in defence of Google? Wikifoundation?
"wikifoundation in defence of Google"
The problem is, Jimmy is one of the founders of wikipedia, has nothing to
do with wikiseek; and wikiasari is a concept supported by a lot of people.
But: If wikifoundation makes a peerpedia-search, this means that there are
several conflicts. Is wikiasari more in solidarity to wikiseek, because
they both are for-profit ads-projects? or more in solidarity to peerpedia, to
support the core competencies of the foundation?
Wikifoundation need the courage, to steal Jimmies Idea to make it (a
search project) really open with p2p and without ads.
Ok, this is not about one person and I do not want to annoy anyone, so
let´s talk about the peerpedia project of the foundation here on this list.
Wikiasari is a different project on a different list.
This simple sentence, said by Jim originally, means foe the rest of the
foundation members, to have the courage, to first develop a similar project
and split the development. This must be the rest of the foundation board
members aware of. Acting like wikiseek and play a card against the
wikisariproject. And this card here was suggested as a peerpedia-search, which means
(as the url was announced with a concept) to set up several yacy.net
to index the web p2p.
(Or: Jim has to be asked, if he is agreeing to make wikiasari a kind of a
peerpedia project and if we are pulling the same goals. He still has not
announced, if nutch or yacy is on the three servers and/or if there is a
cooperation with the foundation, last I guess not, but if this is clear, this
means we need couraged people to do the same from the foundation side but
only p2p with the community).
I wonder, why the members here on the list doubt the core cometencies or
Mission of the foundation, if the peerpedia-search project is in accordance.
Here is the mission again:
you see, several stars fit the project and social software is nutch not at
all, it is yacy, this is why I recomment to ask Jim to join the peerpedia
idea with his large knowledge and history experience.
We could wook out a proposal (which jim announced the day before his
disney journey on anotehr list, but still has not published) together, here is
the peerpedia "blanket" for this:
The general purpose and objectives of the Foundation shall be the
Wikimedia Foundation is dedicated to the development and maintenance of
online *free*, *open content* encyclopedias, collections of quotations,
textbooks *and other collections of documents*, *information*, and other
informational *databases* in *all* the languages of the world that will be
distributed free of charge to the public under a free documentation license such
as the Free Documentation License written by the Free Software Foundation
Inc. at http://www.fsf.org
or similar licensing scheme, see
The goals of the foundation are to *encourage* the further growth and
development of *open content*, *****social software**** WikiWiki-based projects
) and to provide the full contents
of those projects to the public free of charge. In addition to managing the
already developed multilingual general encyclopedia and almanac named
) there is a multi-language dictionary and
thesaurus named Wiktionary, an encyclopedia of quotations named Wikiquote,
a collection of e-book resources aimed specifically toward students (such
as textbooks and annotated public domain books) named Wikibooks and a
collection of source works called Wikisource; other projects are envisioned like
**peerpedia** - the open source search-engine yacy.net
community in a p2p
style. The Foundation also manages the operations of the largely dormant
Nupedia project (which is not a wiki but is open content).
BTW: we discuss here only in a free brainstorming, and indeed the leader
of foundation and the leader of wikia should meet at a round tabel and
discuss, if a collaboration is possible, and if the foundation is behind the p2p
idea, which several times was stated as the only way to have 1 Mio google
servers in defence. If both leaders or the board does not agree, the
question is open, if the foundation is willing to start and found a
yacy-wikipedia-indexing serverfarm project with several servers.
Ok, let´s say each year we add 2 servers. Is this too much?
has done this in one weel with 7 servers.
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