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1. Re: (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier (emijrp)
2. Fwd: Re: FUD&Chilling Effects&Filters&Outlawing (Deryck Chan)
3. Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia (Fabrice Florin)
4. Re: (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier
(Andrea Zanni)
5. Re: Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia (PARNALL Perry)
6. Re: Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia (PARNALL Perry)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:08:06 +0200
From: emijrp <emijrp(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for
Elsevier
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Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001.
2012/9/25 George Herbert <george.herbert(a)gmail.com>
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Mark
<delirium(a)hackish.org> wrote:
On 9/25/12 12:32 AM, George Herbert wrote:
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough
<richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote:
>
> the costs of peer review
I have academics complaining to me that they don't get paid for peer
review,
so I'm not sure what these costs are.
Someone has to edit the magazine, pre-accept papers, and handle the
peer reviews.
The actual organization of peer reviews generally isn't paid even at
for-profit journals, at least in my field. The editor-in-chief and
editorial
board are usually responsible for finding and
assigning reviewers, and
then
making a decision based on their reviews, and
those aren't paid
positions.
There are indeed editing/layout costs at some
journals, though it varies
widely. In computer science, the costs are typically lower to
nonexistent,
because of an expectation that authors will be
able to deliver
publication-ready PDFs, using LaTeX and a template provided by the
journal.
The two top journals these days in my field (artificial intelligence)
both
run on fairly low budgets, one a rounding error
away from $0, and the
other
a modest nonprofit:
*
http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/ -- donated server space from MIT, and a
completely volunteer editorial process
*
http://jair.org/ -- nonprofit organization with a small budget
(funded by
donations and grants) pays for server space and a
small staff
-Mark
Computer Science seems to have taken the lead there, but my
understanding (as an outsider, interested, but not participating much)
is that physical and biological sciences, and most other engineering,
usually pay a staffer and the editor-in-chief, but usually not
reviewers or the editorial board.
I'm sure it's wildly across the map from field to field and
publication to publication, though...
The important part of the discussion is to get on the table that there
are real production EFFORTS involved in all of these journals; it's
not just an email balancing act, a large part of people's work time is
dedicated to coordination and reviewing reviews and finding reviewers
and the like. Authors are asked to review. Lots of effort is
happening.
Whether most of that is "free" - supported by institutions or done by
people out of the goodness of their heart (or for prestige) - or paid,
it's happening.
If I'm paying $1,000 a year for a journal I darn well expect that
they're both paying the coordination and production staff and also
exercising not academic interference, but having an organizational
review board to make sure the editor and editorial committee aren't
running off the rails (as has been known to happen in lesser known
journals).
--
-george william herbert
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:00:34 +0100
From: Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)wikimedia.hk>
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: FUD&Chilling
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Date: Sep 25, 2012 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] FUD&Chilling Effects&Filters&Outlawing
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This is old news. This is what we've been protesting against all throughout
the SOPA/ACTA related actions. Yes it is alarming, but we've been aware of
them for years.
On Sep 25, 2012 9:22 PM, "ENWP Pine" <deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Some of what that article describes is absurd and
would run counter to
principles that I think Europe generally supports. I think most of us would
agree that the internet can be used for dangerous and fraudulent purposes
and that governments have a role in protecting the public from genuine
danger and fraud, but those efforts need to be done in a reasonable and
balanced way that respects important liberty principles that underpin
governments that are "of the people, by the people, for the people."
I hope that WMF Legal takes a look at this article and evaluates how much
of it is truthful. Hopefully that article is more rumor than truth.
Pine
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:52:30 +0300
From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] FUD&Chilling
Effects&Filters&Outlawing
Anonymity&Unrestricted Surveillance of the Nets 'Alive and Well in the
European Union'!!!
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http://www.edri.org/cleanIT
I challenge any knowledgeable and clueful person to peruse that above
link and not reel back in horror and incredulity... Can somebody either
confirm that people in WMF are aware of the above Charlie Foxtrot;
or failing that, bump it up to people who are qualified and empowered
to consider how WMF should approach the situation. Would be nice to
hear that the above report is inaccurate, unwarrantedly alarmist, or that
the proposals will come to nothing in any case, but...
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:02:18 -0700
From: Fabrice Florin <fflorin(a)wikimedia.org>
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia
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Hi folks,
I am happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has just launched Page
Curation, a new suite of tools for reviewing articles on Wikipedia.
Current page patrol tools like Special:NewPages and Twinkle can be hard to use
quickly and accurately, and have led to frustration for some users. Page
Curation aims to improve that page patrol experience by making it faster and
easier to review new pages, using two integrated tools: the New Pages Feed and
the Curation Toolbar.
Read the Page Curation announcement on our blog:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/25/page-curation-launch/
To learn more, visit our introduction page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Introduction
If you are an experienced editor, please give Page Curation a try:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed
We are also holding IRC office hours on Wednesday, September 26 at 4pm PT (23:00
UTC), during which we will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Please
report any issues on our talk page or to our Community Liaison, Oliver Keyes
<okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>rg>.
A number of patrollers have already started using Page Curation, and we hope
that more curators will adopt this new toolkit over time. A 'release version'
was deployed on the English Wikipedia on September 20, 2012, and we plan to make
it available to other projects in coming weeks.
This feature was created in close collaboration with editors. We would like to
take this opportunity to thank all the community members who patiently guided
our progress over the past few months. This includes folks like Athleek123, DGG,
Dori, Fluffernutter, Logan, The Helpful One, Tom Morris, Utar and
WereSpielChequers, to name but a few. We are deeply grateful for your generous
contributions to this project!
We designed Page Curation to offer a better experience, by making it easier for
curators to review new pages and by providing more feedback to creators so they
can improve Wikipedia together.
We hope that you will find this new tool useful. Enjoy!
Fabrice Florin
Product Manager, Editor Engagement Team
Wikimedia Foundation
User:Fabrice Florin (WMF)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_Engagement
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:39:34 +0200
From: Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for
Elsevier
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp <emijrp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was
expensive. Well, until 2001.
I'll have a tshirt with this.
Aubrey
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 05:46:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: PARNALL Perry <parnall.perry(a)aol.com>
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia
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This is ok
PARNALL Perry
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia
Hi folks,
I am happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has just launched Page
Curation, a new suite of tools for reviewing articles on Wikipedia.
Current page patrol tools like Special:NewPages and Twinkle can be hard to use
quickly and accurately, and have led to frustration for some users. Page
Curation aims to improve that page patrol experience by making it faster and
easier to review new pages, using two integrated tools: the New Pages Feed and
the Curation Toolbar.
Read the Page Curation announcement on our blog:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/25/page-curation-launch/
To learn more, visit our introduction page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Introduction
If you are an experienced editor, please give Page Curation a try:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed
We are also holding IRC office hours on Wednesday, September 26 at 4pm PT (23:00
UTC), during which we will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Please
report any issues on our talk page or to our Community Liaison, Oliver Keyes
<okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>rg>.
A number of patrollers have already started using Page Curation, and we hope
that more curators will adopt this new toolkit over time. A 'release version'
was deployed on the English Wikipedia on September 20, 2012, and we plan to make
it available to other projects in coming weeks.
This feature was created in close collaboration with editors. We would like to
take this opportunity to thank all the community members who patiently guided
our progress over the past few months. This includes folks like Athleek123, DGG,
Dori, Fluffernutter, Logan, The Helpful One, Tom Morris, Utar and
WereSpielChequers, to name but a few. We are deeply grateful for your generous
contributions to this project!
We designed Page Curation to offer a better experience, by making it easier for
curators to review new pages and by providing more feedback to creators so they
can improve Wikipedia together.
We hope that you will find this new tool useful. Enjoy!
Fabrice Florin
Product Manager, Editor Engagement Team
Wikimedia Foundation
User:Fabrice Florin (WMF)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_Engagement
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 05:46:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: PARNALL Perry <parnall.perry(a)aol.com>
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia
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This is ok
PARNALL Perry
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To: wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>; wikitech-l
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Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:32 am
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia
Hi folks,
I am happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has just launched Page
Curation, a new suite of tools for reviewing articles on Wikipedia.
Current page patrol tools like Special:NewPages and Twinkle can be hard to use
quickly and accurately, and have led to frustration for some users. Page
Curation aims to improve that page patrol experience by making it faster and
easier to review new pages, using two integrated tools: the New Pages Feed and
the Curation Toolbar.
Read the Page Curation announcement on our blog:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/25/page-curation-launch/
To learn more, visit our introduction page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Introduction
If you are an experienced editor, please give Page Curation a try:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed
We are also holding IRC office hours on Wednesday, September 26 at 4pm PT (23:00
UTC), during which we will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Please
report any issues on our talk page or to our Community Liaison, Oliver Keyes
<okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>rg>.
A number of patrollers have already started using Page Curation, and we hope
that more curators will adopt this new toolkit over time. A 'release version'
was deployed on the English Wikipedia on September 20, 2012, and we plan to make
it available to other projects in coming weeks.
This feature was created in close collaboration with editors. We would like to
take this opportunity to thank all the community members who patiently guided
our progress over the past few months. This includes folks like Athleek123, DGG,
Dori, Fluffernutter, Logan, The Helpful One, Tom Morris, Utar and
WereSpielChequers, to name but a few. We are deeply grateful for your generous
contributions to this project!
We designed Page Curation to offer a better experience, by making it easier for
curators to review new pages and by providing more feedback to creators so they
can improve Wikipedia together.
We hope that you will find this new tool useful. Enjoy!
Fabrice Florin
Product Manager, Editor Engagement Team
Wikimedia Foundation
User:Fabrice Florin (WMF)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_Engagement
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