Hello,
There are a lot of project proposals floating around on Meta-Wiki, most only short descriptions of an idea someone had. Some months ago, I collected all this stuff and moved it to a central page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_new_projects
More can be found in: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_projects
Since many people complained to me about Meta being an unusable labyrinth, I'd like to do a little bit of cleanup and wondered if we could just move this list to wikicities (jimbo's pet project where people can set up wikis on their own) and direct new entries on meta of the type "oh there is no wiki on ... what about ...?" to wikicities: http://www.wikicities.com/index.php/Proposed_wikis
We will be busy the next time with building up Commons and Wikinews, the two big new projects and for most proposals on this page I either don't see a future as a Wikimedia project (at least not in this state) or they could be done within the framework of an existing project.
What do you think?
greetings, elian
Elisabeth-
Since many people complained to me about Meta being an unusable labyrinth, I'd like to do a little bit of cleanup and wondered if we could just move this list to wikicities (jimbo's pet project where people can set up wikis on their own) and direct new entries on meta of the type "oh there is no wiki on ... what about ...?" to wikicities: http://www.wikicities.com/index.php/Proposed_wikis
No, please don't do that. While I like Wikicities, I want Wikimedia itself to be and remain at the forefront of exploring new and innovative uses of wikis. Discussion is a large part of that. I agree that many of the proposals will not have a future as separate projects, but for most of the useful ones, I see potential for integration into existing ones. Instead of encouraging separate projects, we should systematically explore how to integrate good ideas into the Wikimedia framework. What cannot happen today may very well happen tomorrow.
NPOV also dictates that we do not give preference to any outside wiki hosting company. Why direct the Wikimedia community to wikicities.com and not myoo.de or wikidev.net, both of which are run by MediaWiki developers? I think a general note about wiki hosting on the talk page is more appropriate.
In short, I strongly oppose moving this talk page out of Meta, and even more strongly to move it to a specific hosting company.
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
Elisabeth-
Since many people complained to me about Meta being an unusable labyrinth, I'd like to do a little bit of cleanup and wondered if we could just move this list to wikicities (jimbo's pet project where people can set up wikis on their own) and direct new entries on meta of the type "oh there is no wiki on ... what about ...?" to wikicities: http://www.wikicities.com/index.php/Proposed_wikis
No, please don't do that. While I like Wikicities, I want Wikimedia itself to be and remain at the forefront of exploring new and innovative uses of wikis. Discussion is a large part of that.
Most of there proposals weren't discussed at all, but just thrown - often anonymously - on meta and left there for good, mostly orphaned. Seriously, I don't see us setting up more than a handful new projects in the near future: Wikinews and later maybe Wikiversity and Wikijunior.
I agree that many of the proposals will not have a future as separate projects, but for most of the useful ones, I see potential for integration into existing ones. Instead of encouraging separate projects, we should systematically explore how to integrate good ideas into the Wikimedia framework. What cannot happen today may very well happen tomorrow.
Now, then do it ;-) Start with http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Slotipedia_-_A_Proposal and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikindex ?
NPOV also dictates that we do not give preference to any outside wiki hosting company. Why direct the Wikimedia community to wikicities.com and not myoo.de or wikidev.net, both of which are run by MediaWiki developers?
IMO NPOV policy is meant for the content of Wikimedia projects, but you are certainly right that we shouldn't give any preference to an outside project.
I think a general note about wiki hosting on the talk page is more appropriate.
This seems like a good idea, I modified the intro on the proposals page accordingly.
We should probably communicate better what Wikimedia is about - spread of knowledge and not wiki hosting for any cool idea in general.
greetings, elian
It occurs to me (and others) that a lot of users who are actually the same person might have different email addresses in different accounts, are thus are showing up as "different" people when we are checking. Thus I propose that, in order to facilitate the move in SUL, we ask all users to verify using kates tool that all their email addys are identical across their accounts. I have just done so, and discovered I was using an outdated one for my meta account.
Ideas?
Corey --
Erik Moeller wrote:
NPOV also dictates that we do not give preference to any outside wiki hosting company. Why direct the Wikimedia community to wikicities.com and not myoo.de or wikidev.net, both of which are run by MediaWiki developers? I think a general note about wiki hosting on the talk page is more appropriate.
Of course I agree with this completely, as a matter of principle, but I think it isn't so much NPOV that dictates this bit. I do think we can legitimately encourage people to use wiki hosting companies that use MediaWiki (or at least some free software), even if this is not NPOV. Meta is not the encyclopedia, after all.
But obviously, recommending wikicities (which I own) preferentially, is not something I would support.
Still, the rest of what Elian wrote I do think is a generally good idea -- i.e., let's not just leave people hanging when some proposed project is not consistent with our educational and NPOV mission.
--Jimbo
I generally agree with Erik on this. Editors added their project on meta (or more generally, on one of wikimedia projects), and it should stay on meta.
As far as I know, Wikicities is not a wikimedia project, and I see no reason why we would move there information which was given here. At least no more reason to move it there rather than anywhere else.
Meta is meant precisely to receive such information and proposal. I object to information be disseminated on several wikis, in particular on projects which are not ours.
Of course, that does not mean the content of the page can't be copied on wikicities, and become useful over there. But it should stay on meta, because it is one of the goal of meta to welcome brainstorming.
This said, the meta page needs clean up so that we can distinguish between projects which just do not fit our goals, and others potentially interesting later on. We could welcome rough polls for each project, and do a short meeting to decide which ones to move to an archive.
Anthere
Erik Moeller a écrit:
Elisabeth-
Since many people complained to me about Meta being an unusable labyrinth, I'd like to do a little bit of cleanup and wondered if we could just move this list to wikicities (jimbo's pet project where people can set up wikis on their own) and direct new entries on meta of the type "oh there is no wiki on ... what about ...?" to wikicities: http://www.wikicities.com/index.php/Proposed_wikis
No, please don't do that. While I like Wikicities, I want Wikimedia itself to be and remain at the forefront of exploring new and innovative uses of wikis. Discussion is a large part of that. I agree that many of the proposals will not have a future as separate projects, but for most of the useful ones, I see potential for integration into existing ones. Instead of encouraging separate projects, we should systematically explore how to integrate good ideas into the Wikimedia framework. What cannot happen today may very well happen tomorrow.
NPOV also dictates that we do not give preference to any outside wiki hosting company. Why direct the Wikimedia community to wikicities.com and not myoo.de or wikidev.net, both of which are run by MediaWiki developers? I think a general note about wiki hosting on the talk page is more appropriate.
In short, I strongly oppose moving this talk page out of Meta, and even more strongly to move it to a specific hosting company.
Regards,
Erik
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