Le 2013-06-11 14:09, Fred Bauder a écrit :
There will always be humans maintaining the system who must, in order to do their work, have potential access to everything.
A "potential access to everything" is a so vast and vague assertion
that it practicaly denote nothing.
Also, one could come with the exact opposite assertion, full of always/never nothing/everything.
"We hack network backbones like huge internet routers, basically that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us-extradition-fi...
Fred
Fred Bauder, 12/06/2013 22:47:
"We hack network backbones like huge internet routers, basically that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us-extradition-fi...
Time for some additional encryption at least between different parts of the infrastructure perhaps?
Nemo
I would like to raise the option of a more "Wikipedia-like" protest. How about, on the English Wikipedia, picking one day to make the Main Page topic-specific, similar to the traditional April 1 selection?
Candidates, off the top of my hat: [[NSA]] / [[Black Chamber]] [[PRISM (surveillance program)]] [[Panopticon]] [[Surveillance state]] / [[Mass surveillance]] [[1984]] [[Surveillance abuse]]
The articles are (of course!:-) NPOV, but the topic selection could be POV to raise awareness of the issue.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.comwrote:
Fred Bauder, 12/06/2013 22:47:
"We hack network backbones – like huge internet routers, basically – that
give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/**world/2013/jun/12/edward-** snowden-us-extradition-fighthttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us-extradition-fight
Time for some additional encryption at least between different parts of the infrastructure perhaps?
Nemo
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On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
I would like to raise the option of a more "Wikipedia-like" protest. How about, on the English Wikipedia, picking one day to make the Main Page topic-specific, similar to the traditional April 1 selection?
Candidates, off the top of my hat: [[NSA]] / [[Black Chamber]] [[PRISM (surveillance program)]] [[Panopticon]] [[Surveillance state]] / [[Mass surveillance]] [[1984]] [[Surveillance abuse]]
The articles are (of course!:-) NPOV, but the topic selection could be POV to raise awareness of the issue.
I love this idea, hell if we wanted to we could have a nice banner on top (similar to how we did for Wiki10 ) to make sure that everyone knows exactly why it's being done. It's not as disruptive as other options but is almost certain to get some attention.
James
I would like to raise the option of a more "Wikipedia-like" protest. How about, on the English Wikipedia, picking one day to make the Main Page topic-specific, similar to the traditional April 1 selection?
Candidates, off the top of my hat: [[NSA]] / [[Black Chamber]] [[PRISM (surveillance program)]] [[Panopticon]] [[Surveillance state]] / [[Mass surveillance]] [[1984]] [[Surveillance abuse]]
The articles are (of course!:-) NPOV, but the topic selection could be POV to raise awareness of the issue.
This is good, but I fear it would soon expand into banners denouncing fracking and Monsanto. Somehow we would have to achieve and maintain a posture which rejects nihilism, no values, without embracing the cause of the day.
Fred
Fred Bauder, 12/06/2013 22:47:
"We hack network backbones  like huge internet routers, basically  that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one,"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us-extradition-fi...
Time for some additional encryption at least between different parts of the infrastructure perhaps?
Nemo
My impression is that NSA has set up a sort of mirror internet; presumably they would simply incorporate additional encryption into that. In any event we do want to have easy world wide communication, not necessarily all heavily encrypted. More than anything else, we need to get the wolves out of the hen house; if billions are being spend on signals intelligence maybe its time to negotiate an end to the cyberwar.
Fred
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