On 10/22/20, Kaarel Vaidla &lt;kvaidla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: ... It would be amazing if we could embody the values of movement strategy whenever we can. Using only Telegram group as recommendation is NOT*. In general please consider not to endorse commercial and closed source software as primary communication channel. It is also bad in terms of usability and intensity/velocity of exchanges in conditions and context of massive cross-zone/cross-cultural event organizing. Likely to be a cute looking mess and info bottleneck. I already have multiple Wikimedia Telegram groups that hard to follow and take more personal energy then they should at these times of pandemic. Please re-consider this! My arguments are presented on the Telegram group itself and your meta page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Tr… In Solidarity and with Care ~Zblace *As a queer person without western privileges I can recommend its limited use due to phone number privacy and I do also use it myself but it should be neither only nor first option. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Thanks for highlighting the issues of access from different countries. Being in the UK, I would never have used Telegram apart from Wikimedia demands, as hardly anyone uses it here. Popularity, accessibility, reliability, are highly variable for the different channel technologies we use. These are also extremely good reasons not to jump to one method, but to ensure our larger events support multiple channels including our oldest or old fashioned like IRC and email. Running editathons with a live dashboard or mash-up of IRC, a twitter hashtag or FB messenger has worked reasonably well to engage remote participants and to supplement videoconferencing. It's also essential to encourage folks planning to participate to *test* their access, preferably by supporting a dry-run session. One thing we can count on is webcams and mics to fail, wifi access to become spotty, or for websites to crash and that's when old methods suddenly look like good options. I guess we can agree a solid recommendation is to aim to support two or three channels when the group gets above 4 or 5 participants, even if some, like IRC, are considered back-ups. P.S. as a community we should seek to keep testing out open-source alternates, folx get comfortable with what they know works on their machines but most of us are happy to support experimenting with alternatives, it does not hurt to keep on suggesting them. Fae On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 11:22, Amir Sarabadani &lt;ladsgroup(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: join any of Wikimedia telegram groups (including three or four wikimedia hackathons when I was participating in them) because my phone number had country code of Iran (duh) and Telegram banned users being able to join large groups for the whole country of Iran on the grounds that lots of spammers are from Iran which is true. I don't know if it's still the case or not but this is one of privileges people have and might not notice it (not to mention the racist behavior of Telegram). instead: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chat ( https://diff.wikimedia.org/2020/09/18/introducing-wikimedia-chat/) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Tr… please do not circulate or re-quote. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On 10/22/20, Kaarel Vaidla &lt;kvaidla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: ... It would be amazing if we could embody the values of movement strategy whenever we can. Using only Telegram group as recommendation is NOT*.