Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:05:18 +0200 From: MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team! Message-ID: CAJKMOMWeN+4W3cpyKwqiEWxNqhQzUNfXMcVbxhoHAaOZEjL9-Q@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
2012/3/25 En Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com
Also, Steven, could you send the link to the place where we can look at your ?not-so-secret effort to make the current user talk template system more human?? I?m not clear on which page is the main one, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_A/B_testing or https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Template_testing. Is https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Template_testing the main page and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_A/B_testing the list of past tests? There?s also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Editor_Engagement which looks like it?s a coordinating page for multiple projects but some of the information is a bit outdated. I think it would be helpful for all three of these pages to articulate their relationships with each other more clearly and be updated to reflect current information, including clearly stating which staff members are the appropriate contacts for each page.
Thanks,
Pine
I can answer this question easily: The first sentences of the pages in question say it: The meta page is "a interwiki hub for previous and on-going A/B testing experiments with Wikipedia templates", and the page on Incubator "is a page for coordinating A/B testing of user talk templates here on the Incubator. This project is also going on at several others wikis, and for a full list and summarized results, see Meta."
Regards, MF-Warburg
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MF-Warburg, at the risk of making myself sound unusually dense in front of everyone on foundation-l, I'm not yet an expert on cross-wiki Wikipedia research so I need some clarification. My understanding is that Incubator is only for entire new wikis and not experiments for current wikis, but I thought that the A/B testing is intended for implementation on the current English Wikipedia. Would I be correct in restating those sentences as "a hub for A/B testing experiments with Wikipedia templates on all wikis" and "a page for coordinating A/B testing of user talk templates ONLY here on the Incubator for new language Wikipedias"?
Thanks, Pine
2012/3/25 En Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com
MF-Warburg, at the risk of making myself sound unusually dense in front of everyone on foundation-l, I'm not yet an expert on cross-wiki Wikipedia research so I need some clarification. My understanding is that Incubator is only for entire new wikis and not experiments for current wikis, but I thought that the A/B testing is intended for implementation on the current English Wikipedia. Would I be correct in restating those sentences as "a hub for A/B testing experiments with Wikipedia templates on all wikis" and "a page for coordinating A/B testing of user talk templates ONLY here on the Incubator for new language Wikipedias"?
Thanks, Pine
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Yes, experiments with English Wikipedia templates are done on the English Wikipedia, and on Incubator, we are testing our local Welcome template. The page on Meta lists all the tests that have been made or are currently ongoing (for example, there were also tests on Portuguese Wikipedia).
Regards, MF-Warburg
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:24 AM, En Pine deyntestiss@hotmail.com wrote:
MF-Warburg, at the risk of making myself sound unusually dense in front of everyone on foundation-l, I'm not yet an expert on cross-wiki Wikipedia research so I need some clarification. My understanding is that Incubator is only for entire new wikis and not experiments for current wikis, but I thought that the A/B testing is intended for implementation on the current English Wikipedia. Would I be correct in restating those sentences as "a hub for A/B testing experiments with Wikipedia templates on all wikis" and "a page for coordinating A/B testing of user talk templates ONLY here on the Incubator for new language Wikipedias"?
Thanks, Pine
MF-Warbug is correct. The Meta page has a list of all the tests and summarized results so far. The Incubator page is for tests on the Incubator. These specific local coordination pages are linked from Meta as well:
- English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_user_warnings/Testing - German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projekt_Warnhinweise - Portuguese Wikipedia: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Projetos/Avisos_aos_usu%C3%A1ri... - Commons (no tests started yet): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WikiProject_Templates/Testing
Sorry if this is confusing, but we tried to keep most of the relevant documentation to each project on that project.
To answer your other question about a place to go to propose ideas for editor retention... people should do what they are most comfortable with right now, and share the link(s) widely. Even a userspace essay or notes is alright. There are also many good ideas on strategy.wikimedia.org (though they are older), and in the fellowships proposals: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Project_Ideas.
Steven
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