http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/03/22/open-letter-call-for-major-website...
Should we say "er, no, not our data either" or ignore them?
(This has been discussed on internal lists as well, with all commenting saying "HELL YES." The question then is whether, by some obscure legal twist, this would leave WMF somehow exposed. And whether it's worth it anyway.)
- d.
At this point I would suggest that we go ahead and block access to Wikipedia from the UK entirely. Wikipedia isn't compatible with their censorship, libel, copyright, or privacy policies.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/03/22/open-letter-call-for-major-website...
Should we say "er, no, not our data either" or ignore them?
(This has been discussed on internal lists as well, with all commenting saying "HELL YES." The question then is whether, by some obscure legal twist, this would leave WMF somehow exposed. And whether it's worth it anyway.)
- d.
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On a serious note, however, I would say HELL YES.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ryan Kaldari kaldari@gmail.com wrote:
At this point I would suggest that we go ahead and block access to Wikipedia from the UK entirely. Wikipedia isn't compatible with their censorship, libel, copyright, or privacy policies.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/03/22/open-letter-call-for-major-website...
Should we say "er, no, not our data either" or ignore them?
(This has been discussed on internal lists as well, with all commenting saying "HELL YES." The question then is whether, by some obscure legal twist, this would leave WMF somehow exposed. And whether it's worth it anyway.)
- d.
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HELL PERHAPS.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Ryan Kaldari kaldari@gmail.com wrote:
On a serious note, however, I would say HELL YES.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ryan Kaldari kaldari@gmail.com wrote:
At this point I would suggest that we go ahead and block access to Wikipedia from the UK entirely. Wikipedia isn't compatible with their censorship, libel, copyright, or privacy policies.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/03/22/open-letter-call-for-major-website...
Should we say "er, no, not our data either" or ignore them?
(This has been discussed on internal lists as well, with all commenting saying "HELL YES." The question then is whether, by some obscure legal twist, this would leave WMF somehow exposed. And whether it's worth it anyway.)
- d.
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2009/4/1 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/03/22/open-letter-call-for-major-website...
Should we say "er, no, not our data either" or ignore them?
(This has been discussed on internal lists as well, with all commenting saying "HELL YES." The question then is whether, by some obscure legal twist, this would leave WMF somehow exposed. And whether it's worth it anyway.)
- d.
Wikipedia is not a campaigning organisation. We already supply information to people who's net access is monitored by far more worrying groups than phorm. So the privacy issues would not on their own be a justification.
Yes, but how many of them let you opt out? If we could opt out of the Great Firewall of China, I imagine we would :)
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/1 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/03/22/open-letter-call-for-major-website...
Should we say "er, no, not our data either" or ignore them?
(This has been discussed on internal lists as well, with all commenting saying "HELL YES." The question then is whether, by some obscure legal twist, this would leave WMF somehow exposed. And whether it's worth it anyway.)
- d.
Wikipedia is not a campaigning organisation. We already supply information to people who's net access is monitored by far more worrying groups than phorm. So the privacy issues would not on their own be a justification.
-- geni
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2009/4/1 Ryan Kaldari kaldari@gmail.com:
Yes, but how many of them let you opt out? If we could opt out of the Great Firewall of China, I imagine we would :)
Most of these national firewalls limit the number of ISPs people can access through. Blocking them or forcing to https would not present too great a challenge.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/1 Ryan Kaldari kaldari@gmail.com:
Yes, but how many of them let you opt out? If we could opt out of the Great Firewall of China, I imagine we would :)
Most of these national firewalls limit the number of ISPs people can access through. Blocking them or forcing to https would not present too great a challenge.
To revive this discussion, Amazon just submitted its opt-out.
So, unless we care less about the freedom of the Intertubes than Amazon...
Magnus
On 4/16/09 7:21 AM, Magnus Manske wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM, genigeniice@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/1 Ryan Kaldarikaldari@gmail.com:
Yes, but how many of them let you opt out? If we could opt out of the Great Firewall of China, I imagine we would :)
Most of these national firewalls limit the number of ISPs people can access through. Blocking them or forcing to https would not present too great a challenge.
To revive this discussion, Amazon just submitted its opt-out.
So, unless we care less about the freedom of the Intertubes than Amazon...
It's already slated, it's just been a wacky wild week. :) Should be done today.
-- brion
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