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29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need. There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying to support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an image of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose from, On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote:

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On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG

I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty sure that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have used it. ... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks* for reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!". -- Marc _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Gerard Meijssen

11:03 p.m.

Hoi, There is an excuse. You may know those categories, I do not and I do not even try to find images in Commons for my blog. It is too hard to find things. The search is neither efficient nor intuitive. For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface. It is geared up for people adding data not really for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, thank you. Thanks, GerardM On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG

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Gnangarra

11:09 p.m.

There is a big difference here between an individual and the Wikimedia Foundation using Wikimedia Commons On 3 December 2015 at 07:03, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose

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On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote:

On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG

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Gerard Meijssen

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5:35 a.m.

Hoi, It is. I am one of the people who agitated for Commons to be created in the first place. I care about Commons and I hate the lack of usability with a passion. Wikimedians on the other hand cost us additional money in order to cope with Commons. What is your problem in acknowledging that using Commons is a big problem. It is so bad that I typically refuse to add categories because they are not easy to guess and therefore to apply. At some stage it is at least what I hoped for, a repository for use for WMF projects. As a re-use facility it is a failure. Thanks, GerardM On 3 December 2015 at 00:09, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There is a big difference here between an individual and the Wikimedia Foundation using Wikimedia Commons On 3 December 2015 at 07:03, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

really

for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, thank you. Thanks, GerardM On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos > subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to > find or navigate to what you need. > > There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed > photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying

support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an

image

of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose

from, > > On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org>

wrote:

> > > On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > > > It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even > > > create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG > > > > I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff > > deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty

sure

> > that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have > > used it. > > > > ... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks*

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> > reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no > > longer even try!!1!one!". > > > > -- Marc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

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Jane Darnell

8:40 a.m.

This is exactly why we need "Stuctured Data for Commons" and I for one was really disappointed to see it get tossed onto the back burner yet again: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Archive#Stru… On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There is a big difference here between an individual and the Wikimedia Foundation using Wikimedia Commons On 3 December 2015 at 07:03, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > There is an excuse. You may know those categories, I do not and I do

not

even try to find images in Commons for my blog. It is too hard to find things. The search is neither efficient nor intuitive. For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface. It is geared up for people adding data not

really > for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, > thank you. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos > > subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult

> find or navigate to what you need. > > There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed > photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying

support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an

image

of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose

from, > > On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier <marc(a)uberbox.org>

wrote: > > > > > On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > > > > It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or

even

> > > create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG > > > > I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff > > deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty

sure > > > that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd

have

> > used it. > > > > ... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks*

for

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Andrea Zanni

8:54 a.m.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface.

Well, of course. But, from where I see it, this is something to be address centrally: Commons and Wikisource communities are fairly small and at least in Wikisource we don't have any volunteer designers or UX people. The amount of staff time dedicated from the WMF to Wikisource is zero, from the beginning (I don't know about Commons). So, yes, you're right, but this is not a problem that communities can solve by themselves. Aubrey (sorry for the OT)

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