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John at Darkstar

3 Jul 2009 3 Jul '09

1:23 a.m.

It seems like the attribution scheme chosen does not support small interactive devices and systems very Well. Are there anyone who have given this any thoughts? The problem is basically as the chunk of information shrinks the attribution scheme will be more and more of a problem. With the current scheme the "paper leaflet" -problem are solved, still what do we do for cell phones and similar devices? The same problem also arise for solutions where excerpts from articles are used as tooltips in maps. I guess there are a lot of other examples. I would like a fourth point in the text that says something like "attribution after good practice for devices and systems where the previous isn't possible". The current text reads: Attribution: To re-distribute a text page in any form, provide credit to the authors either by including a) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the page or pages you are re-using, b) a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) a list of all authors. John

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John at Darkstar

3 Jul 3 Jul

1:32 a.m.

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Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site would be " http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops... John John at Darkstar wrote:

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Brian

1:35 a.m.

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar <vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

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You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds.

Brian

1:38 a.m.

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Brian <Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu> wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar <vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds.

I actually was not aware that the terms now ask you to link not only to the article, but to the license as well. That is a burden.

Robert Rohde

2:01 a.m.

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Brian<Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu> wrote:

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I actually was not aware that the terms now ask you to link not only to the article, but to the license as well. That is a burden.

Linking to the license (or providing it's actual text) is an explicit requirement of CC-BY-SA. -Robert Rohde

Gerard Meijssen

2:48 p.m.

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Hoi, Did you consider what this does in other scripts ... the notion that it is a small number of characters is based on the notion that the script will be the Latin script.. Other scripts tend to show as the Unicode numbers.. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/3 Brian <Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu>

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM, John at Darkstar <vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

You just need to provide a url to the article. Type wikipedia.org/articleinto your address bar and wait 5 seconds. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

John at Darkstar

9:36 p.m.

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I know it is even worse for some other languages, but I don't think it is very interesting to calculate exact numbers for a couple of hundred languages. The most typical worse case for a SMS is 70 two byte chars. John Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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Peter Gervai

4:10 p.m.

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

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Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. grin

John at Darkstar

9:38 p.m.

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A url for a medium without a clickable link is, well, not an optimum solution. Obfuscated url isn't really any better, but it might be shorter. John Peter Gervai wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny. grin _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Harald Krichel

17 Jul 17 Jul

2:42 p.m.

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Peter Gervai schrieb:

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.

Chad

3:06 p.m.

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Harald Krichel<harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Peter Gervai schrieb:

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.

Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains. eg.: http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573 http://wp.cx/c redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution… Harald _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Tris Thomas

3:09 p.m.

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Over at Wikinews, we've just started using a new url shortening service-enwn.net for our twitter feed. You'll need to talk to http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:ShakataGaNai if interested. On 17/07/2009 14:06, Chad wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Harald Krichel<harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

Peter Gervai schrieb:

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.

That's actually not a bad idea :) A dedicated wmf domain for short urls would be amazingly helpful for a lot of things. Just make it so the script only accepts WMF-owned domains and you've got yourself a great tool. -Chad _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

David Gerard

3:14 p.m.

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.

I know of: http://enwp.org/ http://enwn.net/ - d.

Chad

3:25 p.m.

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:14 AM, David Gerard<dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.

I know of: http://enwp.org/ http://enwn.net/ - d. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad

Philippe Beaudette

6:19 p.m.

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On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote:

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Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad

(Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lomas(a)hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmaster(a)b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmaster(a)b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: ____________________ Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

Chad

7:14 p.m.

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette<pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote:

Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad

I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad

John at Darkstar

9:38 p.m.

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This is a wikipedian from Norway. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Chad wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette<pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote:

Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad

I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Andrew Turvey

19 Jul 19 Jul

12:49 a.m.

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Seems like a very useful service. Would the Foundation be interesting in taking ownership of this URL? If so, would Blad be willing to give/sell it to them? If so, could it be incorporated into a sidebar link similar to "permanent link"? ----- "John at Darkstar" <vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

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From: "John at Darkstar" <vacuum(a)jeb.no> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 20:38:09 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems This is a wikipedian from Norway. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Chad wrote:

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette<pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote:

Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) -Chad

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John at Darkstar

1:26 a.m.

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The domain is not mine, nor does it belong to Wikimedia Norway, it is another wikipedian from Norway who owns the domain. Wikimedia Norway has been in contact with him about the domain and the future use of the service, and another wikipedian has also made inquiries. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Andrew Turvey wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette<pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: > Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? > > That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) > > -Chad (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) Domain ID: D148943548-LROR Domain Name: ENWP.ORG Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) Status: OK Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Bergen Registrant State/Province: -- Registrant Postal Code: 5016 Registrant Country: NO Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email: tl-lomas(a)hotmail.com Admin ID: AT4607819-051 Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Admin Organization: One.com A/S Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City: Copenhagen V Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code: 1560 Admin Country: DK Admin Phone: 45.46907100 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX: 45.70205872 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email: hostmaster(a)b-one.nu Tech ID: AT9622194-051 Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen Tech Organization: One.com A/S Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City: Copenhagen V Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code: 1560 Tech Country: DK Tech Phone: 45.46907100 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: 45.70205872 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email: hostmaster(a)b-one.nu Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: ____________________ Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Plan Wikimedia Foundation pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Andrew Turvey

2:06 a.m.

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Sorry I misunderstood! Great to hear WM-NO is following up. ----- "John at Darkstar" <vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

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From: "John at Darkstar" <vacuum(a)jeb.no> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Sunday, 19 July, 2009 00:26:28 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems The domain is not mine, nor does it belong to Wikimedia Norway, it is another wikipedian from Norway who owns the domain. Wikimedia Norway has been in contact with him about the domain and the future use of the service, and another wikipedian has also made inquiries. John Erling Blad Wikimedia Norway Andrew Turvey wrote:

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette<pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote: > >> Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org? >> >> That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :) >> >> -Chad > > (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org) > > Domain ID: D148943548-LROR > Domain Name: ENWP.ORG > Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC > Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC > Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC > Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) > Status: OK > Registrant ID: AT9622172-051 > Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg > Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14 > Registrant Street2: > Registrant Street3: > Registrant City: Bergen > Registrant State/Province: -- > Registrant Postal Code: 5016 > Registrant Country: NO > Registrant Phone: 47.99298989 > Registrant Phone Ext.: > Registrant FAX: > Registrant FAX Ext.: > Registrant Email: tl-lomas(a)hotmail.com > > Admin ID: AT4607819-051 > Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen > Admin Organization: One.com A/S > Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 > Admin Street2: > Admin Street3: > Admin City: Copenhagen V > Admin State/Province: > Admin Postal Code: 1560 > Admin Country: DK > Admin Phone: 45.46907100 > Admin Phone Ext.: > Admin FAX: 45.70205872 > Admin FAX Ext.: > Admin Email: hostmaster(a)b-one.nu > > Tech ID: AT9622194-051 > Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen > Tech Organization: One.com A/S > Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45 > Tech Street2: > Tech Street3: > Tech City: Copenhagen V > Tech State/Province: > Tech Postal Code: 1560 > Tech Country: DK > Tech Phone: 45.46907100 > Tech Phone Ext.: > Tech FAX: 45.70205872 > Tech FAX Ext.: > Tech Email: hostmaster(a)b-one.nu > > Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU > Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU > Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > Name Server: > > ____________________ > Philippe Beaudette > Facilitator, Strategic Plan > Wikimedia Foundation > > pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if (in general) we know the guy who runs it :) -Chad _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Jon Davis

17 Jul 17 Jul

4:50 p.m.

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I control enwn.net. We just set it up primarily for our Twitter feed. That being said, I've already had requests to make it available for external users - so that's in progress, and I can expand it to allow all WMF sites (not just wn). Otherwise it does support short redirects for CurID. Example: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.K._National_Portrait_Gallery_threatens_U.S._c… http://enwn.net/+129225 -Jon On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 08:14, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service? This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.

-- Jon [[User:ShakataGaNai]] http://snowulf.com/ - Blog http://snowulf.imagekind.com/ - Pictures This has been a test of the emergency sig system.

Andrew Gray

3:26 p.m.

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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I discovered yesterday that: enwp.org/Article redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Chad

3:33 p.m.

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Gray<andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com>om>:

I discovered yesterday that: enwp.org/Article redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Yes it does, enwp.org/?oldid=60372135 should redirect you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?oldid=60372135 which is a 2006 revision of [[Old-Timers' Day]] (thanks Special:Random). -Chad

Happy-melon

19 Jul 19 Jul

9:45 p.m.

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We need to think a little bit outside the box, here; this domain should really be available, and make sense to use, for *all* WMF sites. http://www.wm.org is only occupied by a websquatter at the moment, AFAICT; I think a schema like http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/<article_title> or http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/?oldid=<oldid> would be cleanest. For enwiki it would be http://wm.org/enwiki/Foo; the worst-case scenario is AFAIK http://wm.org/mediawikiwiki/Foo; still only 28 characters plus the title. Use one of the qqx reserved codes for stuff like copyright, and you have a complete service. --HM "Chad" <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:5924f50a0907170633ofbf108al8b2486ae889cc00f@mail.gmail.com...

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel(a)googlemail.com>om>:

Yes it does, enwp.org/?oldid=60372135 should redirect you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?oldid=60372135 which is a 2006 revision of [[Old-Timers' Day]] (thanks Special:Random). -Chad _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Tim Landscheidt

10:42 p.m.

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"Happy-melon" <happy-melon(a)live.com> wrote:

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To think outside the box would be to apply for a URN scheme and have popular browsers implement it (like "wp:" in Kon- queror for example). It cannot get cleaner than that, and we would not have to worry about operations issues either :-). Tim

Brian

20 Jul 20 Jul

12:44 a.m.

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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Tim Landscheidt <tim(a)tim-landscheidt.de>wrote;wrote:

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"Happy-melon" <happy-melon(a)live.com> wrote:

AFAICT; I

think a schema like http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/<article_title> or http://wm.org/<wiki_code>/?oldid=<oldid> would be cleanest. For enwiki

would be http://wm.org/enwiki/Foo; the worst-case scenario is AFAIK http://wm.org/mediawikiwiki/Foo; still only 28 characters plus the

title.

Use one of the qqx reserved codes for stuff like copyright, and you have

complete service. [...]

Even better, you could have the most popular search engines rank many Wikipedia articles as the first result for their titles and have the most popular browsers automatically search for whatever keywords you type into the address bar. (Astute readers will note this is already the case). Of course, this doesn't get around the CC URL license terms (neither does the URI solution, AFAICT), but it points out the sillyness in requiring a URL in the first place. In my opinion the requirement that you link to the CC license is simply to raise awareness of CC itself and has nothing to do with usability. Finding the source and stable copy of the content you are looking at is trivial, and thus so is finding its license. This true with only keywords and without URLs/URIs.

John at Darkstar

3 Jul 3 Jul

9:45 p.m.

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There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can simply define an URI like "Wikipedia:My article" or perhaps "cc:nnnnnn" where the last is some kind of digital resource identifier for works licensed by Creative Commons. The first are simpler to understand, while the latter are somewhat shorter and more reusable. John

Peter Gervai

4 Jul 4 Jul

10:16 a.m.

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

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Not very much different from an URL, it requires a net connection as well. Still I believe URL is a correct pointer to the license, clickable or not. grin

David Gerard

6:22 p.m.

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2009/7/4 Peter Gervai <grinapo(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstar<vacuum(a)jeb.no> wrote:

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> There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about > identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can > simply define an URI like "Wikipedia:My article" or perhaps "cc:nnnnnn"

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Not very much different from an URL, it requires a net connection as well. Still I believe URL is a correct pointer to the license, clickable or not.

And the original work. In particular, a revision ID is a unique reference to a particular revision on a particular copy of MediaWiki, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=299753371 (where I put [[:en:Karl Malden]]'s birth name into the intro). - d.

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