WereSpielChequers wrote:
... our steadily increasing proportion of spammers
Where are you seeing that? I've been monitoring COIBot report contribution numbers and it seems about constant over the years to me.
and the large increase in our proportion of vandals since 2005....
The proportion of vandalism peaked in 2007 per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_statistics Has it been on the rise again? ClueBot NG's contribution's over time seemed to be relatively low before its recent outage and training reset compared to 2010. Counting ClueBot NG contributions per hour makes it seem like they are still lower than 2007 levels, but they start and stop in bursts so I can't get a good idea of the trend without more work.
I want to clarify to John Vandenberg and others that I do approve of the Foundation's very important work on editor retention and recruitment, and on the current initiatives such the Article Feedback Tool which are in many ways quality-focused, but I think additional Foundation efforts on content quality are simply not necessary at least until the recruitment and retention numbers stop declining.
-Will
In Twinkle, we can add a custom Welcome message. Is it possible to create a customized Welcome template that allows the user to insert a personalized message to the Twinkle interface? Or even make changes to the existing templates that allows users to insert a personal message prior to placing on the user's talk page?
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Will Takatoshi willtakatoshi@gmail.comwrote:
WereSpielChequers wrote:
... our steadily increasing proportion of spammers
Where are you seeing that? I've been monitoring COIBot report contribution numbers and it seems about constant over the years to me.
and the large increase in our proportion of vandals since 2005....
The proportion of vandalism peaked in 2007 per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_statistics Has it been on the rise again? ClueBot NG's contribution's over time seemed to be relatively low before its recent outage and training reset compared to 2010. Counting ClueBot NG contributions per hour makes it seem like they are still lower than 2007 levels, but they start and stop in bursts so I can't get a good idea of the trend without more work.
I want to clarify to John Vandenberg and others that I do approve of the Foundation's very important work on editor retention and recruitment, and on the current initiatives such the Article Feedback Tool which are in many ways quality-focused, but I think additional Foundation efforts on content quality are simply not necessary at least until the recruitment and retention numbers stop declining.
-Will
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On Mar 22, 2012 8:46 PM, "Cynthia Ashley-Nelson" cindamuse@gmail.com wrote:
In Twinkle, we can add a custom Welcome message. Is it possible to create
a
customized Welcome template that allows the user to insert a personalized message to the Twinkle interface? Or even make changes to the existing templates that allows users to insert a personal message prior to placing on the user's talk page?
Yes, this not difficult at all to add to Twinkle, and if the maintainers of the gadget are willing I think this should be one of the experiments we try. The idea of prompting normal handwritten comments as part of the interface was also suggested in the feedback from our recent test of PROD and AfD templates in Twinkle.
Steven
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Will Takatoshi <willtakatoshi@gmail.com wrote:
WereSpielChequers wrote:
... our steadily increasing proportion of spammers
Where are you seeing that? I've been monitoring COIBot report contribution numbers and it seems about constant over the years to me.
and the large increase in our proportion of vandals since 2005....
The proportion of vandalism peaked in 2007 per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_statistics Has it been on the rise again? ClueBot NG's contribution's over time seemed to be relatively low before its recent outage and training reset compared to 2010. Counting ClueBot NG contributions per hour makes it seem like they are still lower than 2007 levels, but they start and stop in bursts so I can't get a good idea of the trend without more work.
I want to clarify to John Vandenberg and others that I do approve of the Foundation's very important work on editor retention and recruitment, and on the current initiatives such the Article Feedback Tool which are in many ways quality-focused, but I think additional Foundation efforts on content quality are simply not necessary at least until the recruitment and retention numbers stop declining.
-Will
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On 3/22/2012 9:00 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012 8:46 PM, "Cynthia Ashley-Nelson"cindamuse@gmail.com wrote:
In Twinkle, we can add a custom Welcome message. Is it possible to create a customized Welcome template that allows the user to insert a personalized message to the Twinkle interface? Or even make changes to the existing templates that allows users to insert a personal message prior to placing on the user's talk page?
Yes, this not difficult at all to add to Twinkle, and if the maintainers of the gadget are willing I think this should be one of the experiments we try. The idea of prompting normal handwritten comments as part of the interface was also suggested in the feedback from our recent test of PROD and AfD templates in Twinkle.
Wow, handwritten? I didn't know MediaWiki was going to skip straight past WYSIWYG to OCR. Is it time to start weeding out editors with bad penmanship?
More seriously, while a wiki may not be a social network for its own sake, I do think it's worth emphasizing that collaboration depends on some sort of human connection. Bots can be great tools to facilitate work, but they do nothing to facilitate connections.
--Michael Snow
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Michael Snow wikipedia@frontier.comwrote:
Wow, handwritten? I didn't know MediaWiki was going to skip straight past WYSIWYG to OCR. Is it time to start weeding out editors with bad penmanship?
Wikipedians: they cut you no slack whatsoever for imprecise adjectives, even if it's 9:30 at night. :)
Steven
I'm gonna hafta (sic) work on my handwriting. It's atrocious. ;) Have to good night!
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Michael Snow <wikipedia@frontier.com
wrote:
Wow, handwritten? I didn't know MediaWiki was going to skip straight past WYSIWYG to OCR. Is it time to start weeding out editors with bad
penmanship?
Wikipedians: they cut you no slack whatsoever for imprecise adjectives, even if it's 9:30 at night. :)
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Automated welcome message are tricky on the English Wikipedia, because it's a tricky place to figure out why someone is editing, and how to communicate with them. A large number of contributors with new accounts either do not have a native level of English, are editing just because they can, are editing for promotional purpose (intentional or not), or simply don't know what to do. Reading the account's contribution history helps, as WereSpielChequers notes, but that doesn't tell when to template or when to simply write.
Because of this, I think it is important that we foster intuition on what to write. If the account seems to be wanting simple information on how to edit based on lack of skill, I'll leave a sentence or two saying hello and follow with the welcome template. If the account's edits need personal interaction, I'll just write three or four sentences saying hello with a couple links followed by information on what seems to be the problem with their edits. I think this is fairly standard among those used to helping.
It's a flowchart. If it does exist, please link. If not, please make :)
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