Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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on 9/29/07 8:58 AM, Casey Brown at cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
I agree with you, Casey. An in-depth survey of a Project would not only give us a sense of its demographics, but of its general health; and a sense of what's needed to better meet its needs and how to improve it.
I would be very interested in being a part of a team constructing, conducting and analyzing such a survey. How do you get something like this going?
Marc
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Casey Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30 emails above the one I responded to ;-)
Best
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30 emails above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
on 10/2/07 9:40 AM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
I question some of your thoughts and reasoning here, Brock; but that would be for another thread. Right now I think it a good idea to get a sense of where we are as a collaborative project - from the perspective of its people.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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I rather expressly said they weren't my thoughts per se. They were the results of a rather long discussion among a couple dozen people, mostly old timers, on the irc channel this summer.
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/2/07 9:40 AM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
I question some of your thoughts and reasoning here, Brock; but that would be for another thread. Right now I think it a good idea to get a sense of where we are as a collaborative project - from the perspective of its people.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is
the
state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
particularly
wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
List
who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
feeling
abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
malcontents,
and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like
to
conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
imagination,
or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
survey,
but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
is
plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
welcome
your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote: > > Folks, > > Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken > on any online Foundation project? > > If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, > would conducting such a survey be possible? > > I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-). > > Marc Riddell
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To clarify, i don't believe they are seen as part of the community. The REASON they are not is what i have no knowledge of, and instead relying on others reasoning :)
On 10/2/07, Brock Weller brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
I rather expressly said they weren't my thoughts per se. They were the results of a rather long discussion among a couple dozen people, mostly old timers, on the irc channel this summer.
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/2/07 9:40 AM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
I question some of your thoughts and reasoning here, Brock; but that would be for another thread. Right now I think it a good idea to get a sense of where we are as a collaborative project - from the perspective of its people.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally,
is
the
state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
particularly
wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and
identity
within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take
a
Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
List
who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
feeling
abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
malcontents,
and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would
like
to
conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
imagination,
or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
survey,
but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
is
plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
welcome
your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
> -----Original Message----- > From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Casey > Brown > Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys > > I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by > individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large > scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few > (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of > who uses or edits the site. > > On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever > been taken >> on any online Foundation project? >> >> If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking > it? If not, >> would conducting such a survey be possible? >> >> I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-). >> >> Marc Riddell
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on 10/2/07 6:39 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
To clarify, i don't believe they are seen as part of the community. The REASON they are not is what i have no knowledge of, and instead relying on others reasoning :)
This attitude on some peoples' part would also be something interesting to investigate.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Brock Weller brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
I rather expressly said they weren't my thoughts per se. They were the results of a rather long discussion among a couple dozen people, mostly old timers, on the irc channel this summer.
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/2/07 9:40 AM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
I question some of your thoughts and reasoning here, Brock; but that would be for another thread. Right now I think it a good idea to get a sense of where we are as a collaborative project - from the perspective of its people.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally,
is
the
state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
particularly
wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and
identity
within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take
a
Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
List
who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
feeling
abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
malcontents,
and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would
like
to
conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
imagination,
or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
survey,
but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
is
plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
welcome
your input.
Marc Riddell
> -----Original Message----- > From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf > Of Debbie Garside > Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 > To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys > > Hi > > By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have > quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and > analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online > survey for an ISO TC. > > Best regards > > Debbie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org >> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf > Of Casey >> Brown >> Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys >> >> I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by >> individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large >> scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few >> (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of >> who uses or edits the site. >> >> On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever >> been taken >>> on any online Foundation project? >>> >>> If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking >> it? If not, >>> would conducting such a survey be possible? >>> >>> I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-). >>> >>> Marc Riddell
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-- -Brock
on 10/2/07 6:35 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
I rather expressly said they weren't my thoughts per se. They were the results of a rather long discussion among a couple dozen people, mostly old timers, on the irc channel this summer.
I'm sorry, Brock, I misunderstood your position, I apologize.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/2/07 9:40 AM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
The reason behind this, i suspect, is that most people complaining are not seen as 'in the project'. There was a large discussion sometime ago about how at some point, early 2005 or so, the influx of new users got so great that we stopped being able to enculturate them to the mindset and goals of the project. There are simply quite a few people here who just never got it as a result of that. You can see it in the responses to certain situations on wiki and on the mailing list. It would be nice to begin to show new users the point and culture of the wiki again, but numbers just don, allow it, and the longer users are doing a fine job of shepherding the community as a whole in the correct direction that holds true to our original goals.
I question some of your thoughts and reasoning here, Brock; but that would be for another thread. Right now I think it a good idea to get a sense of where we are as a collaborative project - from the perspective of its people.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is
the
state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
particularly
wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
List
who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
feeling
abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
malcontents,
and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like
to
conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
imagination,
or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
survey,
but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
is
plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
welcome
your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
> -----Original Message----- > From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Casey > Brown > Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys > > I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by > individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large > scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few > (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of > who uses or edits the site. > > On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever > been taken >> on any online Foundation project? >> >> If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking > it? If not, >> would conducting such a survey be possible? >> >> I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-). >> >> Marc Riddell
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Marc,
We've had some issues on Wikinews recently where people have been overly blunt and offputting. On one side it is "I am defending the project", on the other it is "I am doing my best to contribute". As a far smaller project than Wikipedia may I suggest you have a better chance of putting more of our contributors on the shrink's couch?
If you can get help setting up a survey I'd be happy to participate and help promote it to other Wikinewsies. Being a smaller project I think you'd get a feel for how to handle the data before moving onto something as big as Wikipedia and trying to select a representative sample there.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Marc Riddell Sent: 02 October 2007 15:28 To: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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on 10/2/07 9:47 AM, Brian McNeil at brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
Marc,
We've had some issues on Wikinews recently where people have been overly blunt and offputting. On one side it is "I am defending the project", on the other it is "I am doing my best to contribute". As a far smaller project than Wikipedia may I suggest you have a better chance of putting more of our contributors on the shrink's couch?
I can't help it - you set me up for this :-): It's not a couch; it's an inflatable mattress - constantly being filled with hot air :-).
If you can get help setting up a survey I'd be happy to participate and help promote it to other Wikinewsies. Being a smaller project I think you'd get a feel for how to handle the data before moving onto something as big as Wikipedia and trying to select a representative sample there.
You have an good point here, Brian. Testing the survey on a smaller group would be better. Right now we need to assemble a team to create the survey. We will also need you and others like you to help promote it. I will keep you in the loop as to how the process is going.
Marc
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Marc Riddell Sent: 02 October 2007 15:28 To: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating surveys by individual community members, but I don't think anything on a large scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a better idea of who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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Marc Riddell wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30 emails above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
Mark, I would just like to add my strong support of this notion. I am very interested in seeing a survey done of both of the contributors and the readers. I don't think we have the internal capacity at the office to start really thinking about this until (I am guessing) the spring. But setting aside capacity issues, I completely agree that your premise is worth exploring.
If you manage to make any progress, I would be very pleased to see the results. And if I make progress first, I will get you involved :-)
Marc Riddell wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30 emails above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
on 10/2/07 9:58 AM, Sue Gardner at sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Mark, I would just like to add my strong support of this notion. I am very interested in seeing a survey done of both of the contributors and the readers. I don't think we have the internal capacity at the office to start really thinking about this until (I am guessing) the spring. But setting aside capacity issues, I completely agree that your premise is worth exploring.
If you manage to make any progress, I would be very pleased to see the results. And if I make progress first, I will get you involved :-)
Great, Sue, thank you for your support. I will most certainly keep you informed of the progress. It should be an enlightening adventure.
Marc
Please be sure to keep us, or just wiki-research-l maybe, notified too. :-)
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Marc Riddell wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally,
is the
state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
particularly
wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and
identity
within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take
a
Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
List
who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
feeling
abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
malcontents,
and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would
like to
conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
imagination,
or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
survey,
but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
is
plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
welcome
your input.
Marc Riddell
on 10/2/07 9:58 AM, Sue Gardner at sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Mark, I would just like to add my strong support of this notion. I am very interested in seeing a survey done of both of the contributors and the readers. I don't think we have the internal capacity at the office to start really thinking about this until (I am guessing) the spring. But setting aside capacity issues, I completely agree that your premise is worth exploring.
If you manage to make any progress, I would be very pleased to see the results. And if I make progress first, I will get you involved :-)
Great, Sue, thank you for your support. I will most certainly keep you informed of the progress. It should be an enlightening adventure.
Marc
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on 10/2/07 5:36 PM, Casey Brown at cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
Please be sure to keep us, or just wiki-research-l maybe, notified too. :-)
Absolutely, Casey. In fact, if any from the research group would like to help with the work, they would be very welcome.
Marc
On 10/2/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Marc Riddell wrote:
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were another 30
emails
above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally,
is the
state of online collaboration and community building; and I am
particularly
wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and
identity
within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take
a
Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing
List
who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are
feeling
abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners,
malcontents,
and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would
like to
conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my
imagination,
or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a
survey,
but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There
is
plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I
welcome
your input.
Marc Riddell
on 10/2/07 9:58 AM, Sue Gardner at sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Mark, I would just like to add my strong support of this notion. I am very interested in seeing a survey done of both of the contributors and the readers. I don't think we have the internal capacity at the office to start really thinking about this until (I am guessing) the spring. But setting aside capacity issues, I completely agree that your premise is worth exploring.
If you manage to make any progress, I would be very pleased to see the results. And if I make progress first, I will get you involved :-)
Great, Sue, thank you for your support. I will most certainly keep you informed of the progress. It should be an enlightening adventure.
Marc
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Hi Mark
I think it is an excellent idea and will give people an opportunity to have their say and also, perhaps, to understand misconceptions from newbies (like me).
If you can put a draft together of the sort of questions you think you would like to ask I would happily work with you form that point onwards. As to actually getting an online survey going with links from Wiki sites, it is relatively easy as we can use something like Survey Monkey www.surveymonkey.com. It is dead simple to use and produces base table analysis and some more in-depth cross-tabulations too (I think). The cost of Survey Monkey is dependant on the number of surveys completed and whether subscription is monthly (approx £10 I think) or annually (£100 ish). So quite within a Wikimedia budget I would think.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Marc Riddell Sent: 02 October 2007 14:28 To: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were
another 30
emails above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
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Behalf Of Debbie
Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating
surveys by
individual community members, but I don't think anything
on a large
scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a
better idea of
who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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on 10/2/07 11:49 AM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
Hi Mark
I think it is an excellent idea and will give people an opportunity to have their say and also, perhaps, to understand misconceptions from newbies (like me).
If you can put a draft together of the sort of questions you think you would like to ask I would happily work with you form that point onwards. As to actually getting an online survey going with links from Wiki sites, it is relatively easy as we can use something like Survey Monkey www.surveymonkey.com. It is dead simple to use and produces base table analysis and some more in-depth cross-tabulations too (I think). The cost of Survey Monkey is dependant on the number of surveys completed and whether subscription is monthly (approx £10 I think) or annually (£100 ish). So quite within a Wikimedia budget I would think.
Best regards
Debbie
Thank you, Debbie. I'll be in touch again soon to discuss it in more detail.
Marc
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Marc Riddell Sent: 02 October 2007 14:28 To: debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
on 10/1/07 4:34 PM, Debbie Garside at debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk wrote:
OK... Forget the question :-) I just realised there were
another 30
emails above the one I responded to ;-)
Thank you for responding, Debbie. What I am interested in, generally, is the state of online collaboration and community building; and I am particularly wanting to study interpersonal dynamics, conflict resolution and identity within the Foundation's projects. In other words, I would like to take a Project's emotional temperature.
In the English Wikipedia, for example, there are those on the Mailing List who say, we're fine, the culture's fine - don't mess with it.
However, there are also enough posts from persons who say they are feeling abused, ignored, and not being treated fairly in the Project. And, when these persons do post, they are usually portrayed as whiners, malcontents, and as persons who "need to get with the program".
In short, people simply don't seem to know how to talk with each other without being extremely defensive, or grossly offensive. This severely inhibits and degrades the quality of collaboration.
I have some ideas on how to improve some of this, but first I would like to conduct an honest, objective survey to see if this is simply my imagination, or is actually a true picture of the state of things.
My field is Clinical Psychology. I could assist in analyzing such a survey, but I am not schooled or experienced in actually creating one.
My thoughts are to present the findings to the Foundation itself. There is plenty of time to work within here. I would like to do this right. I welcome your input.
Marc Riddell
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Debbie
Garside Sent: 01 October 2007 19:34 To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
Hi
By survey can you clarify what you mean please? I do have quite a lot of experience in both designing, implementing and analysing survey data - most recently conducting an online survey for an ISO TC.
Best regards
Debbie
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Casey
Brown Sent: 29 September 2007 13:59 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Surveys
I believe there are currently some attempts at creating
surveys by
individual community members, but I don't think anything
on a large
scale has been done yet. This is definitely something that a few (most?) people would like to see done, to just get a
better idea of
who uses or edits the site.
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever
been taken
on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking
it? If not,
would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
Yes
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it?
Person comes in says they are doing survey for research project. Various people fill n survey and we never see the results of the research project.
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it?
Person comes in says they are doing survey for research project. Various people fill n survey and we never see the results of the research project.
Geni, what I have in mind would be an in-depth survey of a particular Project; constructed and conducted by Members of that Project's Community experienced in doing this type of thing. And that the results of the survey be available to all Members of that Community.
Marc
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
Run a search through the list archives. An example would be http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-June/075908.html
On 9/29/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been
taken on
any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
Run a search through the list archives. An example would be http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-June/075908.html
-- geni
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There was one this spring as well, PhD thesis involved a study of wikipedia as it relates to other collaborative communities online. I even got 10 dollars on an amazon gift certificate for completing it.
on 9/30/07 6:33 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/29/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been
taken on
any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
Run a search through the list archives. An example would be http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-June/075908.html
-- geni
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There was one this spring as well, PhD thesis involved a study of wikipedia as it relates to other collaborative communities online. I even got 10 dollars on an amazon gift certificate for completing it.
Sounds good, Brock :-). Any idea who the author of the thesis was, or how to find a copy of the results of the study?
Marc
On 9/30/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 9/30/07 6:33 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/29/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been
taken on
any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
Run a search through the list archives. An example would be http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-June/075908.html
-- geni
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There was one this spring as well, PhD thesis involved a study of
wikipedia
as it relates to other collaborative communities online. I even got 10 dollars on an amazon gift certificate for completing it.
Sounds good, Brock :-). Any idea who the author of the thesis was, or how to find a copy of the results of the study?
Marc
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Off the top of my head I don't, but it was posted on the villiage pump and (i think) enwiki-l. In march/april/early may. A little bit before I moved from Juneau, and I left there May 12th, so sometime before that.
On 9/30/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 9/30/07 6:33 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/29/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been
taken on
any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
Run a search through the list archives. An example would be http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-June/075908.html
-- geni
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There was one this spring as well, PhD thesis involved a study of
wikipedia
as it relates to other collaborative communities online. I even got 10 dollars on an amazon gift certificate for completing it.
Sounds good, Brock :-). Any idea who the author of the thesis was, or how to find a copy of the results of the study?
Marc
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I take that back, doing an email search I found this:
Benjamin Keith Johnson wrote:
I am a researcher seeking to interview Wikipedia contributors of any and
all
levels of experience and involvement. In-depth, one hour interviews will
be
conducted over the phone or email beginning March 27. Compensation for
your
time will be provided: a $10 gift certificate to Amazon.comhttp://amazon.com/.
Must be 18+
and U.S. resident. Contact Benjamin Johnson, Department of Telecommunication, Information Studies and Media, Michigan State
University,
by email at john2429@msu.edu or by phone at 517.230.1272.
Thanks! Benjamin
On 9/30/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 9/30/07 6:33 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/29/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote: > Folks, > > Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been
taken on
> any online Foundation project?
on 9/29/07 9:03 AM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Yes
I would like to know more about what has been done in the past.
Run a search through the list archives. An example would be http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-June/075908.html
-- geni
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There was one this spring as well, PhD thesis involved a study of
wikipedia
as it relates to other collaborative communities online. I even got 10 dollars on an amazon gift certificate for completing it.
Sounds good, Brock :-). Any idea who the author of the thesis was, or how to find a copy of the results of the study?
Marc
on 10/1/07 1:05 PM, Brock Weller at brock.weller@gmail.com wrote:
I take that back, doing an email search I found this:
Benjamin Keith Johnson wrote:
I am a researcher seeking to interview Wikipedia contributors of any and
all
levels of experience and involvement. In-depth, one hour interviews will
be
conducted over the phone or email beginning March 27. Compensation for
your
time will be provided: a $10 gift certificate to Amazon.comhttp://amazon.com/.
Must be 18+
and U.S. resident. Contact Benjamin Johnson, Department of Telecommunication, Information Studies and Media, Michigan State
University,
by email at john2429@msu.edu or by phone at 517.230.1272.
Thanks! Benjamin
Thank you very much for this, Brock. I'm going to follow up and see what he found.
Be healthy,
Marc
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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Looks like something new was created earlier this morning - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Census
On 29/09/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
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on 9/29/07 9:44 AM, Majorly at axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
Looks like something new was created earlier this morning - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Census
Majorly,
Wow, talk about timing! Thanks for this. I think I will follow it for a while and see where it goes.
Marc
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net > wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
* See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_survey for an idea which has long been in the works, but never completed; http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/General_User_Survey is a discussion of a possible general user survey, with recent updates
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research for a fuller listing of people who are interested in research, including lots of people who have done or want to do small qualitative surveys
There are all sorts of problems with doing a proper quantitative survey, ranging from getting a good sample to preserving privacy; doing a qualitative survey is easier, but that also of course has problems. However, I think the data from a good survey would be very interesting to lots of people.
If anyone is interested in doing research, the pages above and the wiki-research-l list are good places to start; the list is low-traffic and can be found here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
Marc, you might also be interested in the community wikiproject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Community if you don't already know about it.
-- phoebe
On 9/29/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net > wrote:
Folks,
Has any type of survey of individual Community Members ever been taken on any online Foundation project?
If there has, what were the mechanics involved in taking it? If not, would conducting such a survey be possible?
I am somewhat computer-challenged, so please be gentle :-).
Marc Riddell
on 10/1/07 12:04 AM, phoebe ayers at phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
- See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_survey for an idea which
has long been in the works, but never completed; http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/General_User_Survey is a discussion of a possible general user survey, with recent updates
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research for a fuller listing of people who are interested in research, including lots of people who have done or want to do small qualitative surveys
There are all sorts of problems with doing a proper quantitative survey, ranging from getting a good sample to preserving privacy; doing a qualitative survey is easier, but that also of course has problems. However, I think the data from a good survey would be very interesting to lots of people.
If anyone is interested in doing research, the pages above and the wiki-research-l list are good places to start; the list is low-traffic and can be found here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
Marc, you might also be interested in the community wikiproject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Community if you don't already know about it.
Phoebe,
Thank you for all of this! My immediate goal is to gauge the state of Community Member satisfaction within the various Projects; with a later focus on interpersonal dynamics and communication.
Thanks again,
Marc
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