Job adverts? Really?. Site notice is for critical stuff (fund raising, servers about to explode) even if you play with the notice to only appear ~%10 of the time. Central notice even more so. For less important stuff where you want to contact the community there is [[MediaWiki:Watchlist-details]] which would have the additional advantage of not putting English ads on the Italian (substitute almost every non english wikipedia of your choice) wikipedia. The size is also problematical. On my screen it takes up about twice the space of the average image thumbnail something people who come to wikipedia actualy want to see.

Job adverts? Really?. Site notice is for critical stuff (fund raising, servers about to explode) even if you play with the notice to only appear ~%10 of the time.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Bod Notbod<bodnotbod(a)gmail.com> wrote: Everybody has known for a long time that long-term Wikimedia contributors are far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of visual clutter than the average person. We can only hope that some day we all become just as sensitised to the clutter we put on the site ourselves ;-).

Apparently long-time Wikimedia contributors are also far more sensitive to Foundation imposition of /less/ visual clutter as well, judging by the reaction to the Vector rollout. Perhaps we could just say that long-term Wikimedia contributors are just more sensitive ;)

On 8/2/2010 6:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: in the This reads to me like you're trying to start a fight with the Usability team, and I don't rightly cotton to that idea. The team is comprised of many people, all with different opinions to be sure - but they are all *dedicated to the mission.* So you should assume good faith, even if you disagree. I haven't seen any studies or data that supports this claim but I'd be very interested in seeing this demonstrated. It is possible for long-term or power-users of Wikimedia software to change the skin they use if they find serious fault with Vector. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Brandon Harris wrote: I wasn't aware "cotton" could be used a verb. Thanks for that. Your point is hollow, though. When there's a financial incentive to change the interface, the interface is going to change, regardless of whether it's an improvement or necessary. I think this is partially (perhaps more than partially) the reason that Wikimedia is now shifting away from large grants in favor of small donations. (Sue may have said as much explicitly, I'd have to look.) And, for what it's worth, I think it's a smart shift. Brandon Harris wrote: Oliver Keyes wrote: Being able to disable the skin is one of the reasons it won't see improvement. It's far less effort to switch your personal skin back to the old default (which is what thousands of people have done) than battle those who have imposed (yes, imposed) the new skin. And when the power-users and long-term contributors (those who have accounts‹anonymous users can't change their skin) switch back, the incentive to work on improving the skin greatly diminishes. This is a basic principle of interface design; I'm sure there's a Wikipedia article about it somewhere. MZMcBride _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l