Huh?
Thanks,
GerardM
Op wo 15 nov. 2017 om 14:24 schreef Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com>
On the other hand, I would like see WMF starts fixing
harm done by its
cultural neocolonial actions in Brazil and India.
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Asaf Bartov <asaf.bartov(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
A message from your list moderators:
This thread does not belong on this list.
It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese
community,
and this list's membership is not well
situated to contribute to a
solution
through discussion on this list. Those
particularly interested and able
can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation
that
can only upset people and exacerbate the
conflict, and is not an
effective
way to seek help.
As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
department at WMF -- as well as legal action. Both avenues would not
benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.
The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the
wiki
they share, on-wiki, as well as through the
channels they are already
pursuing. Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish
anything.
Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*. We have also placed
the
Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary
moderation, to prevent
further escalation.
(putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context,
both
sides have at one point requested WMF
intervention in Brazil. WMF has
not
yet announced whether and how it would intervene,
though several
alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)
A.
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never
ends
> in a "reconciliation".
>
> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity
mission.
>
> Vito
>
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> 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
> psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org>gt;:
>
> > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
> >
> > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the
> mailing
> > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more
suited
> > place to develop your points. Punctual
feedback on the list to signal
> > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as
far
as
> > I'm concerned.
> >
> > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an
overview
> > of main statements you are claiming,
each linked to related resources
> which
> > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> > resources to do so.
> >
> > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective
as
> > you might be able to create, I also
encourage you to open a research
> > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to
> create
> > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
> >
> > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end
up
> in
> > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > mathieu
> >
> > [1]
https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
> >
> >> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
> >> [
1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
> >> [
2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
> >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
> >>
> >> Chico Venancio
> >>
> >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenancio(a)gmail.com>om>:
> >>
> >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> >>> lies.*
> >>>
> >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site
down*.[1]
> >>> Henrique quickly took down the
article offending copyright and
Godaddy
> >>> allowed it to continue to be
hosted.[2]
> >>>
> >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education
Brazil
> >>> that
> >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe
and
> >>> myself included). And is
probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of
> another
> >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
> >>> either
> >>> myself or João.
> >>>
> >>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
> >>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should
not
> >>> only
> >>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
> >>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
> >>>
> >>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
> >>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does
not
> >>> want
> >>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There
was
> on
> >>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of
Wiki
> >>> Education Brazil, and at one
point those hints came to level of
> actually
> >>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of
our user
> >>> group,
> >>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
> >>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a
> public
> >>> facebook thread.
> >>>
> >>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly
> invalid
> >>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the
co-authors
> of
> >>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly
> states
> >>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any
license
> and
> >>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an
affront
> to
> >>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the
> user
> >>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was
> not
> >>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki,
only
> >>> makes
> >>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption
of
> >>> good
> >>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from
the
> >>> "User Group" Wiki
Education Brazil to João.
> >>>
> >>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
> >>>
> >>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
> >>>
> >>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
> >>>
> >>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <
> >>> henriquedeandrade(a)gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> :
> >>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to
> write
> >>>> the
> >>>> story below.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1]
shutted
> >>>> down
> >>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA),
> and
> >>>> the
> >>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a
> >>>> "member"
> >>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses
> the
> >>>> username Joalpe.
> >>>>
> >>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email
informing
> >>>> me
> >>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from
> >>>> Joalpe
> >>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I
> >>>> CCBWIKI
> >>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper
> which
> >>>> he
> >>>> is a co-author.
> >>>>
> >>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
> >>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying
WMF
> >>>> team, trying to figure out
what could have led to this misleading
> >>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In
> the
> >>>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu
> >>>> Brazil
> >>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was
> bothered
> >>>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the
site
> >>>> the
> >>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
> >>>> license.
> >>>>
> >>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two
days
> >>>> after my contact arrives a
message from GoDaddy (company where the
> Wiki
> >>>> Edu
> >>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we
have
> >>>> received a "complete
DMCA complaint", made by the Center for
Research,
> >>>> Innovation and Diffusion in
Neuromamatics of the University of São
> Paulo
> >>>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
> >>>>
> >>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the
> texts
> >>>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of
the
> >>>> authors and that he would
have revoked our authorization to publish
> it,
> >>>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies
that
> we
> >>>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to
> CCBWIKI,
> >>>> where it would have been originally published.
> >>>>
> >>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not
> only
> >>>> was
> >>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons
publication
> >>>> could
> >>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his
> name
> >>>> did
> >>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author
of
> >>>> the
> >>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when
clicking
> >>>> on
> >>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the
published
> >>>> content was exactly the one
sent by the author David Fernando Levon
> >>>> Alves
> >>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat
I
> did
> >>>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now
> know
> >>>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th.
> >>>>
> >>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his
> >>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our
authorization
> >>>> for
> >>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of
the
> >>>> paper
> >>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author
to
> >>>> propose withdrawing the
paper in question, and the chair of the
event
> >>>> promptly replied indicating
that the dialogue should continue
through
> >>>> the
> >>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he
would
> >>>> like
> >>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic
conference
> >>>> that
> >>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an
argument
> >>>> that
> >>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality
of
> >>>> Brazilian academy).
> >>>>
> >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The
DMCA
> >>>> notice gave us two options:
either to remove the illegally posted
file
> >>>> or
> >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would
obviously
> opt
> >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal.
But
> >>>> within the cruel logic of
the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour
> >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is
worth
> >>>> mentioning that at that
moment our host removed all the pages in
the
> >>>> domain
> >>>>
wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the
previous
> >>>> conference. In this way,
projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in
> key
> >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to
the
> >>>> very
> >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In
order
> to
> >>>> request that the sites be republished.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust &
Safety
> and
> >>>> the
> >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support
> policies
> >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the
> >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could
not
> >>>> receive
> >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal
implications
> of
> >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke
with
> >>>> groups
> >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded
> that
> >>>> the
> >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing
> persecution.
> >>>>
> >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had
to
> >>>> deal
> >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could
not
> >>>> do
> >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just
> couldn’t
> >>>> do
> >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be
> >>>> something
> >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who
> >>>> denounces
> >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is
even
> a
> >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting!
> >>>>
> >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of roses and I
have
> >>>> several times left and I
stopped editing because of the bullying
done
> by
> >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive
> behavior
> >>>> of
> >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all
my
> >>>> time
> >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from
something I
> >>>> did
> >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move
the
> >>>> largest university in Latin
America into an international legal
threat
> >>>> against the movement he
claims to be a part of. We need to stop it!
> >>>>
> >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that
he
> >>>> leads
> >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach
> >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally
> threaten
> >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our
> movement
> >>>> to
> >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre
> >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible
way
> by
> >>>> the
> >>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants,
be
> >>>> accepted in our spaces and
have the right to speak on behalf of our
> >>>> community!
> >>>>
> >>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask
for
> >>>> your
> >>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal
> world. I
> >>>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and
the
> >>>> Wikimedia movement to
endorse the following petition [3],
addressed to
> >>>> the
> >>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the
> >>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação
> Brasil
> >>>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture
movements
> in
> >>>> Brazil and in the world:
> >>>>
https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
> >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >>>> de-usar-a-justi>
> >>>>
> >>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear
and
> >>>> confident that united we
will overcome one more attack that
threatens
> >>>> not
> >>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free
knowledge.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free
access
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo
Wales
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>
> >>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang)
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
http://wikibrasil.org
> >>>>
> >>>> [2]
> >>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
> >>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016#
> >>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas
> >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
> >>>> Events/Congresso_Cient>
> >>>>
> >>>> [3]
> >>>>
https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
> >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >>>> de-usar-a-justi>
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