Gerard; if New York got to be a Chapter (or a SubChapter for what it matters) then Kosovo
can definitely be one as well.
The question of whether it would end up being an independent chapter, or a SubChapter of
Serbia, or potentially Albania if it ever exists, is secondary to the WMF approval for the
use of the Wikimedia brand.
As I see it, the question is not whether they should apply or not because they might not
be approved;the question is, if the consent is to approve it, what is the scope under
which they would exist. And they can present their application without knowing that
outcome.
Cheers,
MarianoC.-
--- El mié 29-sep-10, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> escribió:
De: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Fecha: miércoles, 29 de septiembre de 2010, 9:19
Hoi,
Lodewijk you are missing the point. The question is, should
they bother, do
they have a chance. When they provide all this information
and then are
denied for political reasons, it is best to say so up
front.
The notion that there is only success as an outcome is not
relevant. The
question raised is will there be room for a Kosovar
chapter. The answer is
binary and from that it starts to make sense to answer any
and all other
questions that are less binary.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 September 2010 19:09, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
That would only be the case if we would have
sufficient information to
actually make a decision and this would be the
actual
body making such
decision in the first place. Some very important
indicators are still
missing. We dont know who the group is, what they
want
to do, what they
need, how many they are, whether wikimedians are
involved in the first
place, what their goals would be, not even to
speak
about their proposed
bylaws.
You suggest that only being a chapter is a potential
success outcome. Of
course that is not the case. Thinking about who
you
are, where you are,
where you want to go, what you want to do and
what you
need to get there is
never wasted, especially since there are many
ways
that lead to Rome. Even
if the conclusion would be that they want to form
a
chapter, and that would
be rejected (highly hypothetical) that effort
would be
well spent because
you could use it to persue your goals in another
way.
Being a chapter is a
tool, not a goal.
Please note that the only indication that they want to
form a chapter is
not
a notice from themselves, is not a request, but only a
hypothetical
question
from someone who visited a conference. Really, if you
want to make a real
consideration whether it would be a good idea,
you
need much more
information than you have right now, and the
regular
process through
chapcom
is probably much more effective to evaluate such
information than through
this mailing list.
Best,
Lodewijk
2010/9/29 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
On 28 September 2010 23:55, Lodewijk
<lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
> > guys, please! Lets not try to solve
hypothetical problems here until we
> know
> > what the problem will be! Let the folks see
if they can get people
> together
> > in the first place, what they want to do,
and what in their opinion
would
> be
> > the best way to organize that. THEN we can
see if a chapter has to be
> > approved or not.
>
> I disagree. The work involved in getting together
a group interested
> in forming and chapter and starting to make
plans
for how to go about
> creating one is significantly greater than
the
work invovled in
> hashing out the potential issues on
foundation-l,
so the latter should
> be done first. There is no point them
wasting
their time getting
> together a group of interested people if
we're
not going to accept
them as a
chapter.
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