I have some doubts if it is really this helpful to spell out these
interviews on this list, and point out how certain details were perhaps not
presented exactly to your liking. I don't know if it arrives at the right
people, but it definitely arrives at a lot of people who are probably less
interested in the specifics at this level of detail.
My question to the communications team would be: is this kind of feedback
something that is useful to you in your work, and if so, where would be an
effective location to share that feedback?
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 6:55 AM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
Even if I agree with you in most of your points, I completely disagree
about asking others to try to amend with press editors the already
published interviews. The fact that the public discourse from the WMF’s
front line is imprecise is not new at all, but I don’t think that it will
get solved by asking a newspaper to add community’s refinements over the
statements from the CEO.
Let’s also be cautious with the number of 5000 paid editors. In my opinion
they are a scourge of our editing communities, but if we need to talk
knowledgeably about them, Wikipedia is not only its English version and we
should really count them across all languages.
Actiu ds, jul 23, 2022 a 15:16, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466(a)gmail.com> va
Dear Maryana, Jeff, and all,
Allow me to raise a couple of points with respect to the interview
published yesterday in the San Francisco Examiner, titled "What does the
CEO who oversees Wikipedia do? We ask her."
I'll quote the relevant passages.
1. "[Q:] *You said there’s hundreds of thousands of volunteer editors. So
how many people get paid and are professional editors of Wikipedia?* [A:]
Wikipedia is written by volunteers, unpaid people helping the rest of us
make sure that we find information on the internet that is accurate and
verified and cited and sourced. There are employees of the Wikimedia
Foundation that provide support to these communities and volunteers, but
the volunteers themselves are not paid staff."
This is a good statement inasmuch as it makes clear that Wikipedia is
written and curated by volunteers, countering the widespread but erroneous
assumption that the WMF's paid staff plays an active role in this. On the
other hand, that point had already been made, and given that this appears
to have been a direct question about how many paid and professional editors
of Wikipedia there are, the article would have benefited from a mention of
the thousands of editors who *are* paid by individuals and organisations
(other than the WMF). There are over 5,000 Wikipedia editors who openly
disclose being paid:
To these must be added an unknown number of additional paid editors who
operate without disclosure, or use a different method of disclosure than
the one searched for by this URL. Could this be added to the article, and
mentioned in future interviews where this question is asked?
2. "[A:] ... We have roughly 600 people scattered across over 40 countries
and every region of the world. ..."
The article would have given a more accurate impression if it had
mentioned that well over half of these are based in the US. Could this info
be added, and included in future interviews?
3. "[Q:] *Why does Wikipedia have banners on its website asking people to
give money? *[A:] They’re a small invitation for folks who find value in
Wikipedia to chip in and ensure that this can remain as it is: An
enterprise that doesn’t rely on selling you anything with ads. I’m not
incentivizing you to stay longer than you need to stay."
The WMF has never asked for money to ensure that things "can remain" as
they are, or to avoid having to put up ads. It has asked for money to
enable exponential growth of the Wikimedia Foundation – whose salary costs
have increased tenfold over the past decade – and to accumulate vast
reserves, which have increased by an even greater factor over that time
period. Last year alone, the Foundation's assets and the Wikimedia
Endowment together grew by about $90 million dollars, a surplus that is
almost the equivalent of one full year's expenses. Seen in this context,
I find the answer given paints a misleading picture, especially given a
prior sentence saying that "her 600-employee organization humbly raises
funds to keep operating ..." – as though there were an acute need for
donations to keep the WMF going.
I'd love to see the WMF communicate more openly and transparently about
the growth of its organisation and the additional things it is doing, or
planning to do, with its additional funds, and to see more detailed media
reporting on Wikimedia's financial growth. The WMF pattern of growth is
really markedly different from that of other donor-funded organisations
that have a more or less stable budget – there is a story here that is
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