On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am getting timeouts on this server. Does any have copy of their statement for me?
Mathias
2009/7/28 Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am getting timeouts on this server. Does any have copy of their statement for me?
Works for me. That link isn't to a statement, it's an article in the British Journal of Photography. I can't find a formal statement anywhere, the article has some quotes from their spokesman. I'm reluctant to copy large extracts from an article about copyright infringement, so I suggest you keep refreshing!
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am getting timeouts on this server. Does any have copy of their statement for me?
Mathias
It times out for me as well. And for Google Translate.
2009/7/28 Brian Brian.Mingus@colorado.edu:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am getting timeouts on this server. Does any have copy of their statement for me?
Mathias
It times out for me as well. And for Google Translate.
It's timing out for me too now. It was definitely working before - I did a hard refresh after Mathias said it was down. Hopefully it will come back soon. There wasn't really anything new there, it was just being said by the BAPLA rather than NPG.
Hello,
A mirror can be found here:
http://images.forgotten-beauty.com/NPG%20and%20BAPLA.txt
Best regards,
Huib
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I am getting timeouts on this server. Does any have copy of their statement for me?
Mathias
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NPG and BAPLA at war with Wikipedia
The British Association of Picture Libraries and Agencies has waded into a tense showdown between the National Portrait Gallery and Wikipedia, which erupted after thousands of NPG images were uploaded onto the social encyclopedia.
In March 2009, more than 3000 high-resolution files were taken from the National Portrait Gallery website and published on Wikipedia without the gallery's permission. The National Portrait Gallery released a statement, describing itself as 'very concerned that potential loss of licensing income from the high-resolution files threatens its ability to reinvest in its digitisation programme and so make further images available. It is one of the Gallery's primary purposes to make as much of the Collection available as possible for the public to view.'
Over the past five years, the National Portrait Gallery has spent £1m on digitising its collection of images, with 60,000 already available online in low-resolution.
'Wikipedia has not responded to our requests to discuss the issue and so the National Portrait Gallery has been obliged to issue a lawyer's letter,' the NPG's statement continues. 'The Gallery remains willing to enter into a dialogue with Wikipedia.'
BAPLA has thrown its support behind the National Portrait Gallery, with executive director Simon Cliffe adding that the issue was a very important one for the organisation's members. 'We understand that other people who have had similar experiences with Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons have been told that they regard all images of out-of-copyright material as public domain, and dispute there is any copyright in a copy of an original work,' he says. 'This is contrary to UK law. The copying of original works for commercial use requires skill and expertise and has a financial cost to the producer. The 1988 CDPA recognises this.'
He continued: 'If owners of out-of-copyright material are not going to have the derivative works they have created protected, which will result in anyone being able to use them for free, they will cease to invest in the digitisation of works, and everyone will be the poorer. Protection of derivative works is not about restriction of access to those works, it is simply about protecting the works from commercial exploitation by those who have not invested in the creation of the new work. As we can see from the NPG case, they do not want to restrict access to the public, but to assert the protection the law provides for their commercial interests. In this way they can raise more funds to invest in making even more material available.'
Jay Walsh, head of communications for the Wikimedia Foundation, which owns Wikipedia, issued a statement on 14 July calling the National Portrait Gallery's action unfortunate. 'The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free licence or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally,' he says. 'To that end, we have very productive working relationships with a number of galleries, archives, museums and libraries around the world, who join with us to make their educational materials available to the public.
'The Wikimedia Foundation does not control user behavior, nor have we reviewed every action taken by that user. Nonetheless, it is our general understanding that the user in question has behaved in accordance with our mission, with the general goal of making public domain materials available via our Wikimedia Commons project, and in accordance with applicable law.'
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