On dewiki there is a discussion whether the Ombudsman commission does fulfill its mission.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudsk...
Some months ago there was a checkuser action which was questioned by some users and the Ombudsman commission was asked to investigate the case. The only dewiki member of the Ombudsman commission did recuse himself from the case. The other members can't be reached or don't comment.
Regards, Peter
[[User:Pjacobi]]
Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here. Thanks.
Lodewijk
2009/7/18 Peter Jacobi pjacobi.de@googlemail.com
On dewiki there is a discussion whether the Ombudsman commission does fulfill its mission.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudsk...
Some months ago there was a checkuser action which was questioned by some users and the Ombudsman commission was asked to investigate the case. The only dewiki member of the Ombudsman commission did recuse himself from the case. The other members can't be reached or don't comment.
Regards, Peter
[[User:Pjacobi]]
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2009/7/26 effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com:
Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here. Thanks.
Lodewijk
Doesn't appear to be.
2009/7/27 geni geniice@gmail.com:
2009/7/26 effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com:
Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here. Thanks.
Lodewijk
Doesn't appear to be.
-- geni
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I'm working on it for a few days.
By the way, this isn't the first time the Ombudsman Commission is "laggy". I would think that a mailing list isn't the best tool to work on cases.
I hope those procedures are fixed with a high priority. Because privacy is a serious issue, and users are referred to the ombudsmen committee often, assuming that is fully functional if necessary. If it is not, that means a lot more responsibility for the WMF, the stewards etc. Are the current members still willing to perform their tasks, are they able to? I hope this gets fixed very fast.
Thanks,
Lodewijk
2009/7/27 Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com
2009/7/27 geni geniice@gmail.com:
2009/7/26 effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com:
Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation
here.
Thanks.
Lodewijk
Doesn't appear to be.
-- geni
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I'm working on it for a few days.
By the way, this isn't the first time the Ombudsman Commission is "laggy". I would think that a mailing list isn't the best tool to work on cases.
-- Christophe
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This is strange - in times past, we have had only 3 ombudsmen at a time, and now we have five. Are they all fairly active? Do they want to continue this role? Have they all been contacted? I notice, for example, that the enwiki based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for a role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Al Tallymajorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
I notice, for example, that the enwiki based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for a role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that.
I wouldn't necessarily define "active" by edits in this role, but I definitely agree with you that I haven't seen much activity anywhere from the members...
2009/7/28 Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Al Tallymajorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
I notice, for example, that the enwiki based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for a role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that.
I wouldn't necessarily define "active" by edits in this role, but I definitely agree with you that I haven't seen much activity anywhere from the members...
I agree, edits aren't really relevant. In fact, I think people that aren't very active on the projects would make better ombudsmen since they are less likely to be involved and can be more independent. What's most important is whether or not they are active on the commission.
Perhaps the WMF should take over this role? It is their privacy policy being enforced. When the commission was founded the WMF was very small and it would have been very difficult for them to do the job, but it is much bigger now so might be able to manage.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Casey Brown lists@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Al Tallymajorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
I notice, for example, that the enwiki based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for
a
role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that.
I wouldn't necessarily define "active" by edits in this role, but I definitely agree with you that I haven't seen much activity anywhere from the members...
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
Depends. Lack of activity could easily indicate business in real life.
The issue is still unresolved.
de:User:Mautpreller, who filed the original complaint, just affirmed that there is still no answer.
See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudsk...
So, just doing nothing may be a way of telling de:User:Mautpreller that his complaint is considered pointless, but this method of (non-)communication seems out of place for complaints regarding such a central topic as the privacy policy.
Regards, Peter
*:User:Pjacobi
2009/8/9 Peter Jacobi pjacobi.de@googlemail.com:
The issue is still unresolved.
de:User:Mautpreller, who filed the original complaint, just affirmed that there is still no answer.
See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudsk...
So, just doing nothing may be a way of telling de:User:Mautpreller that his complaint is considered pointless, but this method of (non-)communication seems out of place for complaints regarding such a central topic as the privacy policy.
Regards, Peter
*:User:Pjacobi
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I am taking care of it but, i'm sorry, I took the case up only two weeks ago. I have a job wich takes me a lot of time and german is not my native language. So any answers won't just pop up.
I'll do as quick as I can to issue an answer.
All the best,
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