Hi James,
Thank you very much for your reply and heads-ups. I'll contact you in
private, by email, if you don't mind.
Best,
Paulo
James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia terça, 7/05/2019 à(s)
00:09:
Hey Paulo
I imagine many of the board are following this. I am fairly easy to get a
hold of with the "email this user" attached to my user pages. And you can
always leave me a note on Wikipedia itself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James
Maria Sefidari and Nataliia Tymkiv are the two WMF board members who
directly oversee Affcom's work. We also have the Wikimedia Foundation Board
noticeboard
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard
Affcom sends the board a detailed overview of their work each month. I am
not aware of the specifics of your case but will ask for further details.
Best
James
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:08 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tomasz,
Thank you very much for the information. It is quite unexpected that the
Board of Trustees can't be officially reached in any way, and we have to
try to find our way individually to one and each of the trustees, until
one
of them accepts the hot potato in their hands (or
not).
I wonder how all this got to this point.
Regards,
Paulo
Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019
à(s)
17:01:
> As far as I know there is no single E-mail address you can contact
Board,
> but you can try to catch directly any
members of the Board who are
still
> brave enough to provide their personal
E-mail... This is not that
> straightforward as you may expect, but first go here:
>
>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/
>
> than click on any face you may find especially friendly, and then in
some
> cases (not in all) by clicking links in
their description, with some
good
luck you
may land on the page, where there is some contact information
:-)
Or - much simpler: forget rather useless official WMF website, which is
tailored rather to impress than to provide any information, and go to
meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees
where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can
contact
them as usually on wiki.
Good luck,
pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta(a)gmail.com
napisał(a):
> Hello Tomasz,
>
> Thank you for your answer. In the hypothesis of being the Board, how
can
> one contact it? I do not see any address I
could use listed here:
>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/
>
> I hope at least some of them are reading this mailing list. They can
get
> > back to me, in public or private, and I'll send the case for
> investigation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paulo
> >
> > Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda,
6/05/2019
à(s)
15:57:
> It seems that the only body can help with this is WMF Board od
Trustees,
> as
> > Affcom is the advisory committee of the Board, and the Board is the
top
> > body legally responsible for the work
of entire WMF.
> >
> > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com
>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hi Cornelius,
> > >
> > > Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of
AffCom,
> I
> > > > really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the
AFfCom,
so
> > > that
> > > > I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a
> > > fraudulent
> > > > and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the
Roles &
> > > > Responsibilities WG, as The
Land has already noted there.
> > > >
> > > > Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as
if
> the
> > > BoT
> > > > can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the
> > current
> > > > light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely
> > powerful
> > > > entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and
> > issuing
> > > > decrees without following even the most basic principles of due
> > process.
> > > > And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It
> > affects
> > > > directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community
not
> >
> connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of
the
> > > > affiliates involved in that case.
> > > >
> > > > And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made
> last
> > > year
> > > > by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a
lawyer
> > > finally
> > > > looked into them, he come out with exactly the same
recommendation
> and
> > > > request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole
> > situation
> > > > even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then?
> > > >
> > > > It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind
> everything
> > > with
> > > > the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely
out
of
> > > process, and against the most
elementary principles of Human
Rights.
> > >
> > > I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and
why
> > it
> > > > was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction
> aganitt
> > > me
> > > > come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea).
> > > >
> > > > To who should I complaint about this?
> > > >
> > > > Paulo
> > > >
> > > > Cornelius Kibelka <cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> escreveu no
dia
> >
> segunda,
> > > 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest
you
> keep
> > > the
> > > > discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the
Roles &
> >
> Responsibility scoping document talk page:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/20…
> >
> >
> > > > Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kirill, it
would
> > be
> > > > > great if you could add your opinion and experience there as
well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Cornelius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 15:11, Kiril Simeonovski <
> > > > > kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > P.S. I would also like to add the other committees in the
> movement
> > > such
> > > > > > like the grantmaking committees. My first go would be the
Board
of
> > > > Trustees
> > > > > but it is better to see if someone who knows exactly can
provide
> > more
> > > > > > details.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Kiril
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiril Simeonovski <
> > > > > > kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Paulo,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find
out
that
too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Kiril
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > > > paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Actually, I'm not familiar with this specific situation
as
well,
> > > apart
> > > > > >> from
> > > > > >> having been informed by my affiliate that WMF had
informed
it
I
> > was
> > > > > under
> > > > > >> some sanction that probably I was unaware of, related
to
> > affiliates
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > >> not part of and episotes I do not took part.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This is an outraging, appalling and unbelievable
behavior
from
> > the
> > > > > > >> Wikimedia Foundation in general, and AffCom in
particular. I
> >
really
> > > > > would
> > > > > >> like to get to the bottom of this, and more than have
it
> > reverted, I
> > > > > >> actually want to know who planted the false information
about
me
> > > there
> > > > > >> which led to this situation.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I hope there is some way to effectively and officially
demand
> > and
> > > > > > internal
> > > > > > >> inquiry inside the Wikimedia Foundation over this
situation.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Best,
> > > > > > >> Paulo
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Benjamin Ikuta <benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>
escreveu no dia
> > segunda,
> > > > > > >> 6/05/2019
> > > > > > >> à(s) 10:20:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I'm not familiar with this specific
situation, but I
agree
> > that
> > > > more
> > > > > > >> > transparency and accountability would be
good.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos
Perneta <
> > > > > > >> paulosperneta(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > Hello,
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I
belong to was
> > > > officially
> > > > > > >> > informed,
> > > > > > >> > > by a WMF source, that I'm being
subject to a until now
> > unknown
> > > > > > >> sanction,
> > > > > > >> > > with an accusation from AffCom I can
only describe as
> > baseless
> > > > and
> > > > > > >> > > fraudulent, relating to a a situation
between two
> > affiliates,
> > > > > dealt
> > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > >> > by
> > > > > > >> > > AffCom more than one year ago, of which
I was never
part
of,
> > > > > occurred
> > > > > >> > more
> > > > > >> > > than one year ago. I was never informed of
this.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > This is not the first time AffCom engages in
this sort
of
> > > > appalling
> > > > > >> > > behavior. As far as I know, WMPT is still
waiting for
the
> > > > > > accusations
> > > > > > >> > made
> > > > > > >> > > by AffCom last year, which led to its
suspension, to
be
> >
> > > substantiated.
> > > > > >> > > AffCom never substantiated anything related
to that,
with
> > the
> > > > > excuse
> > > > > > >> of a
> > > > > > >> > > need for secrecy.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > How, I ask you all as members of the
Movement, how
come
the
> > > > Wikimedia
> > > > >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary,
apparently
> > > > unchecked
> > > > >> > and
> > > > >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive
like
this
> in
> > > its
> > > > > >> > middle,
> > > > > >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the
relation of
all
> > of
> > > us
> > > > > > (both
> > > > > > >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the
WMF?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > More important than that, what can be
done about this?
> Where
> > > one
> > > > > can
> > > > > > >> > appeal
> > > > > > >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent,
baseless,
> > secretive,
> > > > > > >> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body
which was
supposed
> to
> > be
> > > > > above
> > > > > > >> all
> > > > > > >> > > suspicion?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded
somewhere at the
> > Wikimedia
> > > > > > >> Foundation
> > > > > > >> > > over the activities and decisions of
AffCom, in the
same
> way
> > > we
> > > > do
> > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and
supervisors,
with
> the
> > > > > > Ombudsman
> > > > > > >> > > Commission?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight
on this,
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn
> > > > > > >> > > Wikimedia Portugal
> > > > > > >> > >
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