--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:
From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 3:03 AM
Birgitte SB wrote:
Sorry but there is no reason to have a RFC on
Meta for
anything remotely like this situation. And I would say
that if were regarding any wiki (I am sure I have said that
for similar situations on other wikis in the past).
The wikis are autonomous on these issues. If someone
has reason why en.WS adminship rules are incompatible with
the general purposes of the project, then please
share. Otherwise discuss in the proper forum which is
en.WS.
I have since the very beginning been a strong supporter of
project
autonomy, and have usually been very critical of anyone who
tries to
impose the rules of other projects in Wikisource.
Last summer, when
another de-sysop process happened, I also spoke strongly
against
allowing ourselves to be overly influenced by that person's
overly bad
behaviour on other projects; I conservatively concurred
with what
happened based solely on events at wikisource.
In the course of the discussion about me, I considered
coming here at an
early stage, but decided that I would let things play out
on wiki
first. I did not raise the issue here until a few
days after the
decision was closed and implemented.
If I had not commented on events here, would you have
noticed it, and
would it even have crossed your mind to comment as you did
above?
I don't follow exactly what you mean. I often comment here that some new thread is an
internal issue and not a Foundation one. If you had commented on-wiki, I would have
responded there. If you hadn't commented about the situation at all, I wouldn't
have commented either.
Given
the still relatively small community at en:ws, where
does
one turn for a
calmer and more objective analysis from someone who is not
a part of the
apparent piling on?
You can approach community members who were not part of the apparent piling on and ask
them for such an analysis. You can ask someone who is not part of the community and that
you respect for generally giving calm and objective analysis to share their opinion on
en.WS. I am not against people from out of the community helping out with this. I just
don't believe either such a wide announcement nor having the opinions being placed
outside of en.WS should be encouraged.
If the result of raising the
issue here is a fairer
discussion on wiki, I can't complain about that.
There should always be
a place for off-wiki safety valves.
I see that you have asked a question on my talk page, so I
will address
more specific matters there shortly.
Ec
Thank you for bringing the specifics back on-wiki..
Birgitte SB