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Florence Devouard

28 Nov 2007 28 Nov '07

2:29 a.m.

Hello, I think the title of the message says it all :-) You may find the resolution here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions#November_2007 There is very little to add really, but for the fact we have been very pleased with Sue's job so far (and have no reason to expect different for the future), so it is a real pleasure to announce this appointment. Thanks Sue ! Florence Devouard Chair of Wikimedia Foundation

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Anthony

28 Nov 28 Nov

2:32 a.m.

Why did Erik recuse himself? On Nov 27, 2007 7:29 PM, Florence Devouard <anthere(a)anthere.org> wrote:

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Thomas Dalton

2:36 a.m.

On 28/11/2007, Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> wrote:

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Why did Erik recuse himself?

Good question. It's clearly says "recuse" not "abstain", and by my understanding of the word, that means he had some kind of conflict of interest, but I can't think what that could be...

Andrew Whitworth

3:02 a.m.

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Thomas Dalton

3:06 a.m.

On 28/11/2007, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Casey Brown

3:22 a.m.

My understanding regarding that matter was very similar to yours. Congratulations to Sue! On Nov 27, 2007 8:06 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 28/11/2007, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

By my understanding, that job was only ever intended as a temporary one while some technical issues with appointing her as ED were sorted out (she was ED in all but name from the moment she was employed). I could be wrong, though. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

Florence Devouard

3:25 a.m.

Andrew Whitworth wrote:

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Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Jeee, Andrew... remove the hay from your eyes please :-) ant (euh, c'est compréhensible mon commentaire ?)

Thomas Dalton

3:36 a.m.

On 28/11/2007, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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Andrew Whitworth wrote:

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Jeee, Andrew... remove the hay from your eyes please :-) ant (euh, c'est compréhensible mon commentaire ?)

It's a fair question... why not just answer it rather than respond with what I can only assume to be a sarcastic, literally translated French idiom?

Anthony

4:01 a.m.

On Nov 27, 2007 8:36 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 28/11/2007, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Andrew Whitworth wrote:

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Jeee, Andrew... remove the hay from your eyes please :-) ant (euh, c'est compréhensible mon commentaire ?)

It's a fair question... why not just answer it rather than respond with what I can only assume to be a sarcastic, literally translated French idiom?

I think what she's trying to say is that Sue was always the ED, and they just weren't allowed to call her that because of US laws regarding hiring foreigners.

Casey Brown

4:08 a.m.

On Nov 27, 2007 9:01 PM, Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> wrote:

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On Nov 27, 2007 8:36 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 28/11/2007, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Andrew Whitworth wrote:

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Jeee, Andrew... remove the hay from your eyes please :-) ant (euh, c'est compréhensible mon commentaire ?)

It's a fair question... why not just answer it rather than respond with what I can only assume to be a sarcastic, literally translated French idiom?

I think what she's trying to say is that Sue was always the ED, and they just weren't allowed to call her that because of US laws regarding hiring foreigners. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

I would support a conclusion along those lines. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

Philippe Beaudette

7:09 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Appointment of Sue Gardner asExecutive Director

I certainly hope Anthere wasn't implying that the WMF attempted to subvert US law. :-) I know she wasn't, so I strongly encourage folks not to put such words in her mouth - they're legally a bit... questionable. Philippe -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony" <wikimail(a)inbox.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:01 PM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Appointment of Sue Gardner asExecutive Director

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On Nov 27, 2007 8:36 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 28/11/2007, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Andrew Whitworth wrote:

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Jeee, Andrew... remove the hay from your eyes please :-) ant (euh, c'est compréhensible mon commentaire ?)

It's a fair question... why not just answer it rather than respond with what I can only assume to be a sarcastic, literally translated French idiom?

Thomas Dalton

3:25 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Appointment of Sue Gardner asExecutive Director

On 28/11/2007, Philippe Beaudette <philippebeaudette(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I certainly hope Anthere wasn't implying that the WMF attempted to subvert US law. :-)

Not subverting, just getting around. It's kind of like the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion - one is legal, the other isn't.

Brian McNeil

3:41 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Appointment of Sue GardnerasExecutive Director

Exactly. Sue was brought in as a contracted member of staff to carry out specific duties. This is just moving on to saying, "you've proven yourself, you've committed to meeting the legal obligations of sitting in the ED position we would like you in, and the duties you have been performing as a consultant are those which should be passed to the ED office." Congratulations Sue! I'm delighted to see you in the job. Wikinews just might have to interview you again. ;-) Brian McNeil -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dalton Sent: 28 November 2007 14:26 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Appointment of Sue GardnerasExecutive Director On 28/11/2007, Philippe Beaudette <philippebeaudette(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I certainly hope Anthere wasn't implying that the WMF attempted to subvert US law. :-)

Not subverting, just getting around. It's kind of like the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion - one is legal, the other isn't. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Anthony

3:33 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] [Announcement] Appointment of Sue Gardner asExecutive Director

On Nov 28, 2007 12:09 AM, Philippe Beaudette <philippebeaudette(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I certainly hope Anthere wasn't implying that the WMF attempted to subvert US law. :-)

Subvert is such a strong word. Substitute it with "avoid violating" and you'd probably get more agreement.

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I know she wasn't, so I strongly encourage folks not to put such words in her mouth - they're legally a bit... questionable.

I fail to see how pretending it didn't happen is a better response.

Florence Devouard

1:31 p.m.

Thomas Dalton wrote:

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On 28/11/2007, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

Andrew Whitworth wrote:

Who takes over Sue's old job as management consultant, if anybody?

Jeee, Andrew... remove the hay from your eyes please :-) ant (euh, c'est compréhensible mon commentaire ?)

It's a fair question... why not just answer it rather than respond with what I can only assume to be a sarcastic, literally translated French idiom? _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Sorry if it came through sarcastic. It did not mean to be. Fair answer: The board did not approve in the budget a position of management consultant in the future. Ant

Brianna Laugher

3:16 a.m.

On 28/11/2007, Florence Devouard <anthere(a)anthere.org> wrote:

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Congrats Board & Sue :) Exciting times ahead for WMF I think. cheers Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

Sean Whitton

10:38 a.m.

Excellent, excellent. Sue is a real asset to Wikimedia and I am glad to see that her position has finally been ratified as what it should have been. One less issue to worry about - let's get on with running WMF. Sean On 11/28/07, Florence Devouard <anthere(a)anthere.org> wrote:

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Andrew Whitworth
Anthony
Brian McNeil
Brianna Laugher
Casey Brown
Florence Devouard
Florence Devouard
Philippe Beaudette
Sean Whitton
Thomas Dalton