Elisabeth Bauer wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation website was created a few
months ago because we
wanted something clean and clear to present to outside visitors. People
shouldn't have to dive in the mess on meta-wiki for getting information
If they want to have information about Wikimedia they should look up in
an encylopaedia. I recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia
Additionally at the Wikimedia main page there is:
* A header with actual information (for instance fundraising drive)
* Latest news
Most information seems to be doubled at meta (for instance "Chapters"
and "Our projects" but *some* pages may be special).
Before some of you call now "impossible",
I'd like you to think about
it. We've managed to build an encyclopedia which is visited by thousands
of people daily in a wiki. Of course, sometimes you find goatze on the
main page - that's wikipedia. If an open wiki is acceptable for the most
famous encyclopedia on the internet, it isn't for the little
organization behind? Do we really need a classical website, with all its
failures? Can't we just be proud of what we do and say: Yes, we build an
encyclopedia in a wiki - and our organisation website is a wiki, too.
Well, we should at least make it clear that the page is a wiki. It's
familiar to *us* but not to everybody. Beside that building an
encyclopaedia is not the same. Meta is a mess so Wikimedia website will
be a mess too. It's not wiki or not-wiki bute volunteering-as-you-like
or having-a-job-you-are-responsible for. If "we" are all responsible for
the Foundation homepage then nobody will be.
and as wikipedia proves, you can organize a wiki in a
way that visitors
are able to find the stuff they want to know - professional looking
mainpage etc. It just has to be done, and I think the community of
wikimedians which is populating meta-wiki is now big enough to do this.
Important and official pages can be protected, inofficial opinion pages
can be marked with templates...
*lol* I always find a lot of things a meta. Especially new pages that
people created about topics that already had existing pages they did not
find. Not to think about all Wiki* project namespaces. When I search for
pages about Wiki research the last time I found more than 6 different
places where people started something on their own instead of collaborating.
Test wikipedias would be moved from meta to somewhere
else, as well as
the mediawiki documentation (there is now a dedicated mediawiki wiki) to
not clutter up recentchanges anymore.
What is "test wikipedias?" I doubt you will be able to force people not
to use meta for any idea related to Wikimeda. If you do so then they use
their local Wikipedia what's even worse.
Unifying meta and wmf would also help to bridge the
slowly growing gap
between the community and the organisation Wikimedia. Since Wikimedia
depends on the work of volunteers, I see this as a rather dangerous
thing. It more and more becomes "they and us" while it should be
Last but not least I have to admin, that I feel that
there are simply
too many wikis and websites to keep track. On my list (incomplete):
* german wikipedia, english wikipedia, commons, mediawiki wiki,
developer wiki, meta-wiki, german board wiki, german wikimedia website,
wikimedia foundation website, chapter wiki, grants wiki (as good as
How about finally implementing single login and merged watchlists but
not creating new wikis ;-) ?
I've never heard of mediawiki wiki before! May we move pages from meta
to it (but version history will get lost)?
So, I propose this for consideration and for
discussing the idea to
death, as usual ;-)
A merge will probably be better but don't expect too.