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SJ Klein

8 Aug 2007 8 Aug '07

7:20 p.m.

This would be useful for a number of projects. It would be useful to have this sort of list from smaller countries as well. We could use a system for collaboratively building structured datasets such as these around Wikimedia projects... perhaps the Open Library folks can help in this regard. (would any of the semwiki projects scale to querying millions of records?) SJ On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Debbie Garside wrote:

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Hi Durova I have a list of 23,101 UK schools. I am not sure how good it is or how many are primary/secondary/colleges/unis but I do know that 17,000+ have email addresses. If this would be of interest let me know. Best regards Debbie Garside

-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Durova Sent: 05 August 2007 21:18 To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] WikProject Classroom coordination With fall semester coming up, now is a good time to let educators know about one of our resources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Classroom_c oordination This project aims to help professors and teachers who incorporate Wikipedia editing assignments into their curricula. Instead of (or as an adjunct to) regular student term papers, students would make cited improvements to Wikipedia articles. How does the Foundation usually get the word out about something like this? I think the *Chronicle of Higher Education* would be interested in running a notice if they were informed about the project. Should I get in touch with them, or are there others who have contacts already? Durova _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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GerardM

8 Aug 8 Aug

8:20 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] WikProject Classroom coordination

Hoi, OmegaWiki includes 2.1 million records at this time. The responsetimes are not stellar but that is more an issue with the way the rendering is handled than with the database. Thanks, GerardM On 8/8/07, SJ Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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brian.mcneil＠wikinewsie.org

8:40 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

My apologies in advance, but this is the most active WMF list I am a member of. So... I'm going to bug everyone to help out on a Wikinews project. We have - uploaded to Commons - an interview with former member of parliament and political activist Tony Benn. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Tony_Benn_Interview.ogg http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Interview_with_U.K._s tatesman_Tony_Benn/Raw_transcript I have already pestered my Wikinews colleagues for help transcribing this as a first step into turning it into a story, any help in the transcription would be appreciated. I'd also welcome opinions on how this material can be used as a source for Wikipedia which has a "No Original Research" policy. Brian McNeil

Christophe Henner

8:45 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

As it's not a research but an interview, I don't see any problem. In fact it's even better as for once the original interview and the transcript will be free and so we will be able to check easily the sources. On 08/08/07, brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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Casey Brown

9:31 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

Yes, as long as we have both the interview and transcript, there is *no* way it wouldn't be accepted. The proper sourcing template would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_interview for this case. On 8/8/07, Christophe Henner <christophe.henner(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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My apologies in advance, but this is the most active WMF list I am a

member

of. So... I'm going to bug everyone to help out on a Wikinews project. We have - uploaded to Commons - an interview with former member of parliament and political activist Tony Benn. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Tony_Benn_Interview.ogg

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Interview_with_U.K._s

tatesman_Tony_Benn/Raw_transcript I have already pestered my Wikinews colleagues for help transcribing

this as

a first step into turning it into a story, any help in the transcription would be appreciated. I'd also welcome opinions on how this material can

used as a source for Wikipedia which has a "No Original Research"

policy.

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Brian McNeil

9:41 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

This is great news, but it seriously conflicts with the impression I have been given about what material can be used for updating Wikipedia. I got about 40 minutes of the man's time, and I'd say a great deal of what he said could go into his Wikipedia article. I consider a telephone interview "Original Research", so is it just allowable because people can recognise who I am speaking with? It does - to me - seem a little like bending the rules. I expected Wikinews to have to do the article and items from that go in WP. Brian. -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Casey Brown Sent: 08 August 2007 21:32 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription Yes, as long as we have both the interview and transcript, there is *no* way it wouldn't be accepted. The proper sourcing template would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_interview for this case. On 8/8/07, Christophe Henner <christophe.henner(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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My apologies in advance, but this is the most active WMF list I am a

member

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Interview_with_U.K._s

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tatesman_Tony_Benn/Raw_transcript I have already pestered my Wikinews colleagues for help transcribing

this as

a first step into turning it into a story, any help in the transcription would be appreciated. I'd also welcome opinions on how this material can

used as a source for Wikipedia which has a "No Original Research"

policy.

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Casey Brown

9:46 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

Well... it's not the fact that we know who you are. Jimbo could do some research but people will want it removed as OR. It will probably get some opposition but after reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OR, it really doesn't fit in the "items excluded" section. As long as the subject of the interview is notable, the interview should be able to get used. On 8/8/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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My apologies in advance, but this is the most active WMF list I am a

member

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Interview_with_U.K._s

tatesman_Tony_Benn/Raw_transcript I have already pestered my Wikinews colleagues for help transcribing

this as > a first step into turning it into a story, any help in the

transcription

> would be appreciated. I'd also welcome opinions on how this material

can

used as a source for Wikipedia which has a "No Original Research"

policy.

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Majorly

9:53 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

On 08/08/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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Christophe Henner

9:57 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

The interview can be hosted on Commons and Wikinews, and used as a source on Wikipedia :) On 08/08/07, Majorly <axel9891(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On 08/08/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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Casey Brown

9 Aug 9 Aug

1:13 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

Of course! NOR is not used to block this type of content. :-) On 8/8/07, Christophe Henner <christophe.henner(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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The interview can be hosted on Commons and Wikinews, and used as a source on Wikipedia :) On 08/08/07, Majorly <axel9891(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

On 08/08/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote: > > This is great news, but it seriously conflicts with the impression I

have

> been given about what material can be used for updating Wikipedia. I

got

> about 40 minutes of the man's time, and I'd say a great deal of what

> said > could go into his Wikipedia article. I consider a telephone interview > "Original Research", so is it just allowable because people can

recognise

> who I am speaking with? It does - to me - seem a little like bending

the

> rules. I expected Wikinews to have to do the article and items from

that

go in WP. Brian. Rules are there to be bent :)

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Gregory Maxwell

15 Aug 15 Aug

6:33 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

On 8/8/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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This is great news, but it seriously conflicts with the impression I have been given about what material can be used for updating Wikipedia.

My new goal in life: Being able to respond to any thread with nothing more than an reference to an obscure old post of mine. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-June/022560.html ;)

FloNight

6:40 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

On 8/15/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote: My new goal in life: Being able to respond to any thread with nothing more than an reference to an obscure old post of mine. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-June/022560.html ;) Mr. Maxwell, Great Idea with bonus points for style :) Sydney aka FloNight

C.J. Croy

9 Aug 9 Aug

7:47 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

On 8/8/07, brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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I have already pestered my Wikinews colleagues for help transcribing this as a first step into turning it into a story, any help in the transcription would be appreciated. I'd also welcome opinions on how this material can be used as a source for Wikipedia which has a "No Original Research" policy. Brian McNeil

I'll chip in on transcribing later today; I need the practice. Quick thought based on what's transcribed so far: You'd be better off identifying yourself as from Wikipedia than Wikimedia or Wikinews. Not many people are as familiar with the subprojects as the core Wikipedia project. Fox News certainly reporters don't introduce themselves as employees of NewsCorp. It brings up a good question: How does the Foundation feel about people identifying themselves as from Wikipedia, Wikinews, etc? The Wikipedia brand name is a very strong one and could open a lot of doors, but if misused could result in a lot of doors being slammed in our collective face. -Chris Croy

Marco Chiesa

8:03 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

C.J. Croy wrote:

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thought based on what's transcribed so far: You'd be better off identifying yourself as from Wikipedia than Wikimedia or Wikinews. Not many people are as familiar with the subprojects as the core Wikipedia project. Fox News certainly reporters don't introduce themselves as employees of NewsCorp. It brings up a good question: How does the Foundation feel about people identifying themselves as from Wikipedia, Wikinews, etc? The Wikipedia brand name is a very strong one and could open a lot of doors, but if misused could result in a lot of doors being slammed in our collective face.

Maybe something like "I'm Mr N. Surname from Wikinews, which belongs to Wikimedia that also owns Wikipedia...." could be the best branding, although it looks very long to me... Cruccone

Brian McNeil

12 Aug 12 Aug

11:58 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

We've published our first article from this interview. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_interviews:_Tony_Benn_on_U.K._politics There have been offers of help on transcribing the interview, we still need those skills - what has been done do far turns into one article and is about 5-10 minutes out of a 40 minute interview. Among the purposes for doing this is building a portfolio for the wiki. If we can say "so-and-so spoke to us and we wrote foo", add things like we have 30k+ on the RSS feed, and get a little bit of notice then more people will talk to us. I believe our New Zealand contributors managed to land an interview with the man most likely to be the country's next PM. That was prior to his serious candidacy, but you never can tell - these people might remember us and help get passes to appropriate places. Summary: Help Wikinews (and shamelessly lift quotes from the article for Wikiquote). Brian. -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Marco Chiesa Sent: 09 August 2007 20:04 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription C.J. Croy wrote:

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Maybe something like "I'm Mr N. Surname from Wikinews, which belongs to Wikimedia that also owns Wikipedia...." could be the best branding, although it looks very long to me... Cruccone _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Bryan Tong Minh

15 Aug 15 Aug

4:13 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

On 8/12/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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Summary: Help Wikinews (and shamelessly lift quotes from the article for Wikiquote).

And Commons: please take pictures when going to an interview :)

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Brian.

Cheers, Bryan

Brian McNeil

4:24 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

I did what I could for Commons re: Tony Benn; haven't you noticed that the photo on his article is from a member of the family, Josh Benn? I - unfortunately - could not get any photos, as I was sitting in Belgium interviewing a man in the U.K. Our Kiwi friends have been up to some interview shenanigans recently too, they got a video interview with one of their politicos. The key message from them is that issuing @wikinewsie.org email addresses versus using things like @gmail.com has increased their response rate to near 100%. Michael Moore, on the other hand, still hasn't responded to requests for an interview. I wonder if he dislikes the idea of being on the receiving end. Brian. -----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Tong Minh Sent: 15 August 2007 16:13 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription On 8/12/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

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Summary: Help Wikinews (and shamelessly lift quotes from the article for Wikiquote).

And Commons: please take pictures when going to an interview :)

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Brian.

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Susan Prey

6:26 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

Was so not ready for all that...yes i was...they weren't! My words paint a thousand pictures! The beautiful paradox...why me! Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 8/12/07, Brian McNeil wrote:

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Summary: Help Wikinews (and shamelessly lift quotes from the article for Wikiquote).

And Commons: please take pictures when going to an interview :)

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Brian.

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Casey Brown

10 Aug 10 Aug

3:42 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Interview transcription

So far, the Foundation really hasn't made a comment like that. Take the @ wikinewsie.org e-mail addresses, the Wikinews people didn't ask the Foundation for people's own @wikinews.org e-mail address, as that would look like they were *official* reps. However, as long as it is understood that you are just a user or admin or any other thing so long as it doesn't make you seem like an official representative, the Foundation doesn't seem to have a problem with that. On 8/9/07, C.J. Croy <cjcroy(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 8/8/07, brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org <brian.mcneil(a)wikinewsie.org> wrote:

I have already pestered my Wikinews colleagues for help transcribing

this as

a first step into turning it into a story, any help in the transcription would be appreciated. I'd also welcome opinions on how this material can

used as a source for Wikipedia which has a "No Original Research"

policy.

Brian McNeil

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