Hello
May I suggest that until he understands that it isn't appropriate to remove these links, is to remove sysop from him and re-add the links? and may be make one (or more) of these users a sysop (s) to do the usual cleanup.
Users with 250 contributions or more at Russian Wikibooks:
User:Rubynovich - inactive User:Karagota - inactive User:Vladimir Petrov - Not much active recently, possible problems with neutrality due to a fringe theory he writes about User:Greck - inactive User:Student - inactive User:Alexsmail - not much active, last edit in November User:Imz - last edit about a month ago, probaly will suit User:DenZzz - inactive User:Dark Magus - hell no, he's about to be permabanned on Russian Wikipedia User:TRicK BZ - inactive
Apparently, Ramir's behaviour had already pissed off lots of contributors. Probably, a couple of trusted users from Wikipedia could be given temporary sysop status until the community is healed and elects new administrators.
Apparently, Ramir's behaviour had already pissed off lots of contributors. Probably, a couple of trusted users from Wikipedia could be given temporary sysop status until the community is healed and elects new administrators.
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I second this suggestion.
Cheers, Yaroslav
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
On Jan 6, 2008 8:57 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
As well as the point mentioned by MaxSem, I would like also to argue the matter if a WMF-owned wiki should carry wmf logo and a link to its official website where people can find its contact point by email, fax and phone is not a language issue as the user Ramir suggested, and raising the issue around language barrier in that manner is highly to be discouraged on our project.
On Jan 6, 2008 1:45 PM, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 8:57 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
As well as the point mentioned by MaxSem, I would like also to argue the matter if a WMF-owned wiki should carry wmf logo and a link to its official website where people can find its contact point by email, fax and phone is not a language issue as the user Ramir suggested, and raising the issue around language barrier in that manner is highly to be discouraged on our project.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but this is the 35th message on this thread, and apart from Elisabeth unfortunately aborted attempts, there has been nothing done on the matter.
Regardless of civility, wikilove and all other things, and keeping in mind that I am ok with the fact that people may want to "customize" their projects' css, I don't see why we're even discussing this particular "customization".
Wikibooks is a Wikimedia project, powered by Mediawiki and there's nothing else to it. These mentions have to come back, there's no discussion to be had.
Had I the powers to make myself an admin on that wiki, I would simply restore this and be done with it, thing is, I can't. If Ramir wants a policy, well, let's make this a precedent and hence a policy. The fact that Wikimedia hosted projects are Wikimedia hosted projects and powered by Mediawiki is a fact, not something up for vote or consensus, one man's or many people's appreciation. Please, make me an admin on that wiki and I'll do the stuff.
Geez.
Best,
Delphine
Dear Delphine, dear all, due to his reactions and disconcerting statements I very much doubt that he would not revert such action immediately.
I propose to *desysop him now (he can ask the community for getting back sysop on ru.books) *make a native or >ru-3 speaker temp-sysop to restore the banners (MaxSem maybe?) *not granting bureaucratship on ru.books for at least a year
Kind regards, Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
Delphine Ménard a écrit :
On Jan 6, 2008 1:45 PM, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 8:57 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
As well as the point mentioned by MaxSem, I would like also to argue the matter if a WMF-owned wiki should carry wmf logo and a link to its official website where people can find its contact point by email, fax and phone is not a language issue as the user Ramir suggested, and raising the issue around language barrier in that manner is highly to be discouraged on our project.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but this is the 35th message on this thread, and apart from Elisabeth unfortunately aborted attempts, there has been nothing done on the matter.
Regardless of civility, wikilove and all other things, and keeping in mind that I am ok with the fact that people may want to "customize" their projects' css, I don't see why we're even discussing this particular "customization".
Wikibooks is a Wikimedia project, powered by Mediawiki and there's nothing else to it. These mentions have to come back, there's no discussion to be had.
Had I the powers to make myself an admin on that wiki, I would simply restore this and be done with it, thing is, I can't. If Ramir wants a policy, well, let's make this a precedent and hence a policy. The fact that Wikimedia hosted projects are Wikimedia hosted projects and powered by Mediawiki is a fact, not something up for vote or consensus, one man's or many people's appreciation. Please, make me an admin on that wiki and I'll do the stuff.
Geez.
Best,
Delphine
I endorse Delphine's request: it seems okay to me and she is one of the people who can speak, so I understand, where WMF put its trademarked logo and not, on the Foundation's behalf.
On Jan 6, 2008 11:08 PM, Elisabeth Anderl n9502784@students.meduniwien.ac.at wrote:
Dear Delphine, dear all, due to his reactions and disconcerting statements I very much doubt that he would not revert such action immediately.
I propose to *desysop him now (he can ask the community for getting back sysop on ru.books) *make a native or >ru-3 speaker temp-sysop to restore the banners (MaxSem maybe?) *not granting bureaucratship on ru.books for at least a year
Seconded besides the second point for this particular thing. Personally I suppose Delphine is the better person to deal with. As for other two points they look nice. Or do we need to have a meta RFC for his desysoping?
Kind regards, Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
Delphine Ménard a écrit :
On Jan 6, 2008 1:45 PM, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 8:57 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
As well as the point mentioned by MaxSem, I would like also to argue the matter if a WMF-owned wiki should carry wmf logo and a link to its official website where people can find its contact point by email, fax and phone is not a language issue as the user Ramir suggested, and raising the issue around language barrier in that manner is highly to be discouraged on our project.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but this is the 35th message on this thread, and apart from Elisabeth unfortunately aborted attempts, there has been nothing done on the matter.
Regardless of civility, wikilove and all other things, and keeping in mind that I am ok with the fact that people may want to "customize" their projects' css, I don't see why we're even discussing this particular "customization".
Wikibooks is a Wikimedia project, powered by Mediawiki and there's nothing else to it. These mentions have to come back, there's no discussion to be had.
Had I the powers to make myself an admin on that wiki, I would simply restore this and be done with it, thing is, I can't. If Ramir wants a policy, well, let's make this a precedent and hence a policy. The fact that Wikimedia hosted projects are Wikimedia hosted projects and powered by Mediawiki is a fact, not something up for vote or consensus, one man's or many people's appreciation. Please, make me an admin on that wiki and I'll do the stuff.
Geez.
Best,
Delphine
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Ok, I am fine with this.
Delphine please create an account on ru.books and tell me when You are ready.
Personally I don't think we need to create RFC and prolong this discussion, this thread is watched by lots of people and we seem to agree that this should be restored.
Best regards.
Aphaia a écrit :
I endorse Delphine's request: it seems okay to me and she is one of the people who can speak, so I understand, where WMF put its trademarked logo and not, on the Foundation's behalf.
On Jan 6, 2008 11:08 PM, Elisabeth Anderl n9502784@students.meduniwien.ac.at wrote:
Dear Delphine, dear all, due to his reactions and disconcerting statements I very much doubt that he would not revert such action immediately.
I propose to *desysop him now (he can ask the community for getting back sysop on ru.books) *make a native or >ru-3 speaker temp-sysop to restore the banners (MaxSem maybe?) *not granting bureaucratship on ru.books for at least a year
Seconded besides the second point for this particular thing. Personally I suppose Delphine is the better person to deal with. As for other two points they look nice. Or do we need to have a meta RFC for his desysoping?
How about we NOT desysop him until/unless he tries to revert the changes and only then after deliberate contact from the Foundation? I don't like that prerogative... ie, "we know what you're GOING to do, so we'll desysop you to prevent it".
Philippe
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Elisabeth Anderl" n9502784@students.meduniwien.ac.at Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:08 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Dear Delphine, dear all, due to his reactions and disconcerting statements I very much doubt that he would not revert such action immediately.
I propose to *desysop him now (he can ask the community for getting back sysop on ru.books) *make a native or >ru-3 speaker temp-sysop to restore the banners (MaxSem maybe?) *not granting bureaucratship on ru.books for at least a year
Kind regards, Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
Delphine Ménard a écrit :
On Jan 6, 2008 1:45 PM, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 8:57 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
As well as the point mentioned by MaxSem, I would like also to argue the matter if a WMF-owned wiki should carry wmf logo and a link to its official website where people can find its contact point by email, fax and phone is not a language issue as the user Ramir suggested, and raising the issue around language barrier in that manner is highly to be discouraged on our project.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but this is the 35th message on this thread, and apart from Elisabeth unfortunately aborted attempts, there has been nothing done on the matter.
Regardless of civility, wikilove and all other things, and keeping in mind that I am ok with the fact that people may want to "customize" their projects' css, I don't see why we're even discussing this particular "customization".
Wikibooks is a Wikimedia project, powered by Mediawiki and there's nothing else to it. These mentions have to come back, there's no discussion to be had.
Had I the powers to make myself an admin on that wiki, I would simply restore this and be done with it, thing is, I can't. If Ramir wants a policy, well, let's make this a precedent and hence a policy. The fact that Wikimedia hosted projects are Wikimedia hosted projects and powered by Mediawiki is a fact, not something up for vote or consensus, one man's or many people's appreciation. Please, make me an admin on that wiki and I'll do the stuff.
Geez.
Best,
Delphine
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Yep, we will wait for his reactions to Delphines actions,
best regards.
Philippe Beaudette a écrit :
How about we NOT desysop him until/unless he tries to revert the changes and only then after deliberate contact from the Foundation? I don't like that prerogative... ie, "we know what you're GOING to do, so we'll desysop you to prevent it".
Philippe
Fair enough. So we don't need to request for comments either at this moment ;)
On Jan 6, 2008 11:44 PM, Elisabeth Anderl n9502784@students.meduniwien.ac.at wrote:
Yep, we will wait for his reactions to Delphines actions,
best regards.
Philippe Beaudette a écrit :
How about we NOT desysop him until/unless he tries to revert the changes and only then after deliberate contact from the Foundation? I don't like that prerogative... ie, "we know what you're GOING to do, so we'll desysop you to prevent it".
Philippe
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Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
2008/1/6, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com:
Fair enough. So we don't need to request for comments either at this moment ;)
On Jan 6, 2008 11:44 PM, Elisabeth Anderl n9502784@students.meduniwien.ac.at wrote:
Yep, we will wait for his reactions to Delphines actions,
best regards.
Philippe Beaudette a écrit :
How about we NOT desysop him until/unless he tries to revert the changes and only then after deliberate contact from the Foundation? I don't like that prerogative... ie, "we know what you're GOING to do, so we'll desysop you to prevent it".
Philippe
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Good enough for me.
Philippe
-------------------------------------------------- From: "effe iets anders" effeietsanders@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
2008/1/6, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com:
Fair enough. So we don't need to request for comments either at this moment ;)
On Jan 6, 2008 11:44 PM, Elisabeth Anderl n9502784@students.meduniwien.ac.at wrote:
Yep, we will wait for his reactions to Delphines actions,
best regards.
Philippe Beaudette a écrit :
How about we NOT desysop him until/unless he tries to revert the changes and only then after deliberate contact from the Foundation? I don't like that prerogative... ie, "we know what you're GOING to do, so we'll desysop you to prevent it".
Philippe
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-- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD
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He reverted but we changed it back and asked him once more not to remove the banners http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25887 Here is his answer: http://tinyurl.com/2jnkel I hope he leaves it as it is now.
But what is about: shi zhao wrote:
Mainpage in ru.wikibooks right: Журнал Потенциа is may copyvio?
from http://potential.org.ru/ (c) Журнал Потенциал 1999-2008
It would be good imho that the Russian community takes care of this.
Best regards, Elisabeth.
2008/1/6, Philippe Beaudette < philippebeaudette@gmail.com>:
Good enough for me.
Philippe
From: "effe iets anders" < effeietsanders@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
Articles from "Potential" aren't copyvio. Them posted by authors (or Potential editors with authors' agreement). You may look http://potential.org.ru/bin/view/Home/PotentialOnWikibooks for more information.
Sergey Leschina
He reverted but we changed it back and asked him once more not to remove the banners http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25887 Here is his answer: http://tinyurl.com/2jnkel I hope he leaves it as it is now.
But what is about: shi zhao wrote:
Mainpage in ru.wikibooks right: Журнал Потенциа is may copyvio?
from http://potential.org.ru/ (c) Журнал Потенциал 1999-2008
It would be good imho that the Russian community takes care of this.
Best regards, Elisabeth.
2008/1/6, Philippe Beaudette < philippebeaudette@gmail.com>:
Good enough for me.
Philippe
From: "effe iets anders" < effeietsanders@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Кто-то с IP-адресом xx.xx.xxx.xx зарегистрировал на сервере проекта Викиучебник учётную запись «Avruch», указав ваш адрес электронной почты.
Чтобы подтвердить, что вы разрешаете использовать ваш адрес электронной почты в этом проекте, откройте в браузере приведённую ниже ссылку (это нужно сделать до 22:54, 13 января 2008):
http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B...
Если вы не отправляли подобного запроса, просто проигнорируйте данное письмо.
Anyone able to translate this one for me? Blocked IP message perhaps?
On Jan 6, 2008 7:17 PM, Sergey putnik Leschina i.am.putnik@gmail.com wrote:
Articles from "Potential" aren't copyvio. Them posted by authors (or Potential editors with authors' agreement). You may look http://potential.org.ru/bin/view/Home/PotentialOnWikibooks for more information.
Sergey Leschina
He reverted but we changed it back and asked him once more not to remove the banners http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25887 Here is his answer: http://tinyurl.com/2jnkel I hope he leaves it as it is now.
But what is about: shi zhao wrote:
Mainpage in ru.wikibooks right: Журнал Потенциа is may copyvio?
from http://potential.org.ru/ (c) Журнал Потенциал 1999-2008
It would be good imho that the Russian community takes care of this.
Best regards, Elisabeth.
2008/1/6, Philippe Beaudette < philippebeaudette@gmail.com>:
Good enough for me.
Philippe
From: "effe iets anders" < effeietsanders@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
It's standard message with link for e-mail confirmation.
Sergey Leschina
Кто-то с IP-адресом xx.xx.xxx.xx зарегистрировал на сервере проекта Викиучебник учётную запись «Avruch», указав ваш адрес электронной почты.
Чтобы подтвердить, что вы разрешаете использовать ваш адрес электронной почты в этом проекте, откройте в браузере приведённую ниже ссылку (это нужно сделать до 22:54, 13 января 2008):
http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B...
Если вы не отправляли подобного запроса, просто проигнорируйте данное письмо.
Anyone able to translate this one for me? Blocked IP message perhaps?
On Jan 6, 2008 7:17 PM, Sergey putnik Leschina i.am.putnik@gmail.com wrote:
Articles from "Potential" aren't copyvio. Them posted by authors (or Potential editors with authors' agreement). You may look http://potential.org.ru/bin/view/Home/PotentialOnWikibooks for more information.
Sergey Leschina
He reverted but we changed it back and asked him once more not to remove the banners http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25887 Here is his answer: http://tinyurl.com/2jnkel I hope he leaves it as it is now.
But what is about: shi zhao wrote:
Mainpage in ru.wikibooks right: Журнал Потенциа is may copyvio?
from http://potential.org.ru/ (c) Журнал Потенциал 1999-2008
It would be good imho that the Russian community takes care of this.
Best regards, Elisabeth.
2008/1/6, Philippe Beaudette < philippebeaudette@gmail.com>:
Good enough for me.
Philippe
From: "effe iets anders" < effeietsanders@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
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foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Ah of course, thanks. I shouldn't be so suspicious.
On Jan 6, 2008 9:18 PM, Sergey putnik Leschina i.am.putnik@gmail.com wrote:
It's standard message with link for e-mail confirmation.
Sergey Leschina
Кто-то с IP-адресом xx.xx.xxx.xx зарегистрировал на сервере проекта Викиучебник учётную запись «Avruch», указав ваш адрес электронной почты.
Чтобы подтвердить, что вы разрешаете использовать ваш адрес электронной почты в этом проекте, откройте в браузере приведённую ниже ссылку (это нужно сделать до 22:54, 13 января 2008):
http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B...
Если вы не отправляли подобного запроса, просто проигнорируйте данное письмо.
Anyone able to translate this one for me? Blocked IP message perhaps?
On Jan 6, 2008 7:17 PM, Sergey putnik Leschina i.am.putnik@gmail.com wrote:
Articles from "Potential" aren't copyvio. Them posted by authors (or Potential editors with authors' agreement). You may look http://potential.org.ru/bin/view/Home/PotentialOnWikibooks for more information.
Sergey Leschina
He reverted but we changed it back and asked him once more not to remove the banners http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25887 Here is his answer: http://tinyurl.com/2jnkel I hope he leaves it as it is now.
But what is about: shi zhao wrote:
Mainpage in ru.wikibooks right: Журнал Потенциа is may copyvio?
from http://potential.org.ru/ (c) Журнал Потенциал 1999-2008
It would be good imho that the Russian community takes care of this.
Best regards, Elisabeth.
2008/1/6, Philippe Beaudette < philippebeaudette@gmail.com>:
Good enough for me.
Philippe
From: "effe iets anders" < effeietsanders@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
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Right, this was http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmemail_body, see the English version at http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmemail_body/en
I would like to add that of course Ramir can read and write English just fine, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ramir
It was a not a good idea to use Babelfish, since the result looked like a joke. Half of Ramir's response was an attempt to be sarcastic about the quality of that translation (and the fact that there was no proof that this indeed came from someone related to Foundation).
My post didn't use babelfish, for the record. It used freetranslation.com
-Dan On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Alex Smotrov wrote:
Right, this was http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmemail_body , see the English version at http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmemail_body/en
I would like to add that of course Ramir can read and write English just fine, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ramir
It was a not a good idea to use Babelfish, since the result looked like a joke. Half of Ramir's response was an attempt to be sarcastic about the quality of that translation (and the fact that there was no proof that this indeed came from someone related to Foundation).
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Auto-translated:
Someone with xx.xx.xxx.xx IP-address has registered on a server of the project Wikibook registration record "Avruch", having specified your e-mail address.
To confirm, that you allow to use your address E-mail in this project, open in a browser resulted Below the reference (it needs to be made till 22:54, on January, 13th 2008):
http: // ru.wikibooks.org/wiki / % D0%A1%D0%BB %D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:Confirmemail/ 9001991979836ea2f15689323c75c82a
If you did not send similar inquiry, simply ignore the given letter.
On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Nathan wrote:
Кто-то с IP-адресом xx.xx.xxx.xx зарегистрировал на сервере проекта Викиучебник учётную запись «Avruch», указав ваш адрес электронной почты.
Чтобы подтвердить, что вы разрешаете использовать ваш адрес электронной почты в этом проекте, откройте в браузере приведённую ниже ссылку (это нужно сделать до 22:54, 13 января 2008):
http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B...
Если вы не отправляли подобного запроса, просто проигнорируйте данное письмо.
Anyone able to translate this one for me? Blocked IP message perhaps?
On Jan 6, 2008 7:17 PM, Sergey putnik Leschina i.am.putnik@gmail.com wrote:
Articles from "Potential" aren't copyvio. Them posted by authors (or Potential editors with authors' agreement). You may look http://potential.org.ru/bin/view/Home/PotentialOnWikibooks for more information.
Sergey Leschina
He reverted but we changed it back and asked him once more not to remove the banners http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25887 Here is his answer: http://tinyurl.com/2jnkel I hope he leaves it as it is now.
But what is about: shi zhao wrote:
Mainpage in ru.wikibooks right: Журнал Потенциа is may copyvio?
from http://potential.org.ru/ (c) Журнал Потенциал 1999-2008
It would be good imho that the Russian community takes care of this.
Best regards, Elisabeth.
2008/1/6, Philippe Beaudette < philippebeaudette@gmail.com>:
Good enough for me.
Philippe
From: "effe iets anders" < effeietsanders@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
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On Jan 6, 2008 5:56 PM, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
Too late, I restored the "normal" links to the Mediawiki and Wikimedia websites. I did not deadminned him, unless he restores again that is a matter for the community. I explained somewhat more and suggested not to restore at his usertalkpage.
Thank you Eia.
Delphine
Agreed. I think it's time to get a steward to make some changes - based on discussions on this list, I think they're on solid ground.
Well said, Delphine. Endorsed.
Philippe
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Delphine Ménard" notafishz@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:46 AM To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
On Jan 6, 2008 1:45 PM, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 8:57 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25853
Translation: "Last week there was a sharp increase in activities of anon idiots, foreigners (without the knowledge of Russian or with a bad grasp of it), and users AlexSmotrov (signs as AlexSm) and Putnik. I hope it's just a coincidence, otherwise I'll need to track down possible connections between these users and some others. --Ramir 10:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)"
This is WAY off the limits of civil behaviour we are accustomed to expect from any constructive user, especially from a sysop.
As well as the point mentioned by MaxSem, I would like also to argue the matter if a WMF-owned wiki should carry wmf logo and a link to its official website where people can find its contact point by email, fax and phone is not a language issue as the user Ramir suggested, and raising the issue around language barrier in that manner is highly to be discouraged on our project.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but this is the 35th message on this thread, and apart from Elisabeth unfortunately aborted attempts, there has been nothing done on the matter.
Regardless of civility, wikilove and all other things, and keeping in mind that I am ok with the fact that people may want to "customize" their projects' css, I don't see why we're even discussing this particular "customization".
Wikibooks is a Wikimedia project, powered by Mediawiki and there's nothing else to it. These mentions have to come back, there's no discussion to be had.
Had I the powers to make myself an admin on that wiki, I would simply restore this and be done with it, thing is, I can't. If Ramir wants a policy, well, let's make this a precedent and hence a policy. The fact that Wikimedia hosted projects are Wikimedia hosted projects and powered by Mediawiki is a fact, not something up for vote or consensus, one man's or many people's appreciation. Please, make me an admin on that wiki and I'll do the stuff.
Geez.
Best,
Delphine
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I also hope, while we're on the subject, that some other ru.books problems could be helped to solve:
1. 95% of seven hundred images do not have any description, meaning no source and no license. When 3 weeks ago I pointed out at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy and the fact that other projects are busy tagging and deleting images, Ramir's response was "I'm concerned with something else: what's going to happen to Wiki-sites (sooner or later)? Cause authors come, create educational literature, and then anonymous fags day and night confidently delete content with support of other useless fags from other end of a planet - this is sick and needs to be cured." http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25376&oldid=25368
In the following discussion he refused to do anything, even to add some simple guide and the list of licenses onto [[Special:Upload]], so at least new images maybe would have some description.
2. At the bottom of the Main page one can read "==Sediment== Do not repeat mistakes of sub-authors of sub-books:" (and then goes the list of books deemed not good enough). When I asked Ramir to remove this wording since 1)it's offensive, 2)I didn't see him even trying to discuss possible improvements with the authors, and then 3)another user expressed concern that this might repel potential authors, Ramir's answer was: "When I see 5 complains in writing from [[Авторы|useful contributors]] (that someone is offended), I will replace the word "Sediment" with some other, selected after a vote". http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25823&oldid=25822 (The link "useful contributors" points at the page where some "respectable authors" are listed.)
3. Everything else seems less important, mostly it's some weird changes to protected pages. Requests to fix them are mostly ignored:
http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mytalk tab at the top says "Emails" instead of "My talk".
Recent changes pages is missing the line "Show minor edits | Show bots | Hide anonymous users | Hide logged-in users | Hide my edits"
http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Article, which is supposed to be the top tab "book" (or "module" like in en.books) is made into simple "page", clearly to accomodate the fact that "Forum", "Help" and "Authors" project pages are all located in the main namespace. Some time ago a user from our Wikipedia tried moving these pages into correct (project) namespace, the result was move protection and indefinite ban for that user.
There are only 15 interwikis on the Main page, selected at Ramir's will. When asked to add other interwikis, he responded with simple "No need" and ignored all the further reasoning. http://ru.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=25558&oldid=25548
Sorry for the long post.
On Jan 7, 2008 12:25 AM, Alex Smotrov alsmotrov@gmail.com wrote:
I also hope, while we're on the subject, that some other ru.books problems could be helped to solve:
This list sounds like a clear-cut case of administrative abuse. These points mentioned in this email are particularly troubling. I think it's worth serious consideration that this user, Ramir, needs to be de-sysopped.
--Andrew Whitworth
This, for now, is up to the local community. (And yes, that is still small). It are all points we *disagree* on, of course, and insults maybe, sure, but i think we ought to be careful with deadmin. If Ramir breaks no Wikimedia policies, then there is no deadmin at hand I think.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
2008/1/7, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@gmail.com:
On Jan 7, 2008 12:25 AM, Alex Smotrov alsmotrov@gmail.com wrote:
I also hope, while we're on the subject, that some other ru.books problems could be helped to solve:
This list sounds like a clear-cut case of administrative abuse. These points mentioned in this email are particularly troubling. I think it's worth serious consideration that this user, Ramir, needs to be de-sysopped.
--Andrew Whitworth
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