Il giorno 08/feb/07, alle ore 17:21, Gregory Maxwell ha scritto:
You are incorrect. For example, If I fork Wikipedia
I must instantly
delete every single with permission image, but I would be no worse off
than Wikipedia in keeping fair use images.
If *I* fork Wikipedia, I must istantly delete every single fair use
*Fair use/fair dealing* doesn't exist outside UK/US (and other 4
Surely someone who so
frequently screams about the foundation can appreciate the importance
of the right to fork? :)
Some it.wikiers thought about this possibility.
Not me, for now, but I'm starting to doubt about the correctness of
Your references to an italian law was uncorrect.
I am reasonably confident that it
That means that you know italian laws better than italian people.
I hope, we will make our decisions based on reasoned
research, and not based on who can scream the loudest. To that end,
wouldn't it be better if we did as suggested and sought guidance from
experts on how best to set the policy for itwiki?
This is not a question of "who scream the loudest", but a question of
Italians can't use fair use images. Period.
Other people from other countries can't use fair use images. Period.
Fair use images are not free. Period.
Please stop to consider for a moment: In no way does
the board only
allowing image which would be fair use/fair dealing preclude itwiki
from getting permission.
I *do* think you've not read the first mail.
There's no other explanation.
"It is for these reasons, which we have long supported, that all
media on Wikimedia sites which are used under terms that specify non-
commercial use only, no-derivatives only, or permission for Wikimedia
only, need to be be phased out and replaced with media that does not
have these restrictions."
*need* to be *phased out*
Lets assume for a moment that under Italian law, there
is no exception
for excerpting for education.
There is, for text.
So, itwiki does not permit this
exception. Instead, itwiki users will go obtain permission.
fine, you can continue to do this, the foundation already said you may
be more restrictive than they require and many projects already are.
Read the quote here above. WMF considers "having a permission" to be
However, even with permission you may still only
submit images which
the rest of the world, which has the concept of fair dealing, could
use as fair dealing. This ensures that itwiki are not getting
non-free permission for images which we could easily create as free
works ourselves, and it ensures that the work is maximally free.
Probably I've not understood this piece.
Why does this make you mad? What do you think you are
All I can see is itwiki losing images which are non-free and could be
replaced with free ones... and that is a gain for everyone.
Images with permission? Not allowed.
Fair use images? Allowed.
What make me "mad" - better, what are making a lot of it,wikiers
pissed off - is that there is an evidence of not equity in this
"Non free images are not permitted, but ehy... uhm... considering
that en.wiki makes a large usage of non-free images we are gonna
allow fair use images".