Durova wrote:
At some point Sarah was talking about people involved in this becoming admins and crats on other wikis. This is what has me confused. Are the people Gerard is refering to the same people Sarah is refering to about becoming admins on other language wikis?
Birgitte SB
You would have to ask Sarah and clarify with Gerard. If Gerard was referring to the example I read to him, the individual never had special
ops
on any project. There exist a variety of such people, though.
I don't see Birgitte as a a person given to rash conclusions; she is probably more careful than most about questioning them. Comments about some stalker being an admin or bureaucrat do become a part of the landscape. You may even be talking about two different people. In time these stories tend to merge.
Ec
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Ray, I call 'em like I see 'em. Your responses at this thread consistently have the tone and content of someone who has not been paying requisite attention to the material.
In no way did I imply that Birgitte makes rash conclusions. Nor did I comment about any stalker being an admin or bureaucrat. It was SlimVirgin who made that assertion, not me.
The opening post of this thread linked to a Digg page about an Article by David Shankbone. You made a number of tangential posts, then failed to recognize his name when I used it. It was I who started that Digg and David cited me in his article. Three times this week I have posted to my blog on the topic, including a full quote and a diff of a threat against David. I posted it long before you requested that type of example here.
The word "prejudice" means premature judgment: to reach a conclusion before examining adequate evidence.
-Durova
--- On Tue, 6/10/08, Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com wrote:
The word "prejudice" means premature judgment: to reach a conclusion before examining adequate evidence.
In case anyone has not yet done so. I really do suggest reading David's article [1].
To attempt closing up the tangent I began which has been snipped into misunderstanding at this point. Gerard posted well into this thread "We are talking about people who on or off list threaten others to kill, maim and rape." [2] My confusion is over who is included from the previous posters within that "We". Since no one has given me a positive answer of admins on any wiki being involved in stalking others let us all understand that no admins are known to be involved in such a thing. Hopefully this is enough to set this tangent aside and let thread remain more focused.
Birgitte SB
[1] http://www.brooklynrail.org/2008/06/express/nobodys-safe-in-cyber-space [2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-June/043869.html
Durova wrote:
Durova wrote:
At some point Sarah was talking about people involved in this becoming admins and crats on other wikis. This is what has me confused. Are the people Gerard is refering to the same people Sarah is refering to about becoming admins on other language wikis?
Birgitte SB
You would have to ask Sarah and clarify with Gerard. If Gerard was referring to the example I read to him, the individual never had special ops
on any project. There exist a variety of such people, though
I don't see Birgitte as a a person given to rash conclusions; she is probably more careful than most about questioning them. Comments about some stalker being an admin or bureaucrat do become a part of the landscape. You may even be talking about two different people. In time these stories tend to merge.
Ec
Ray, I call 'em like I see 'em.
As do I.
Your responses at this thread consistently have the tone and content of someone who has not been paying requisite attention to the material.
"Requisite" is subjective. If the issue is a general one about stalking, and what to do about it, I don't think it's necessary to go into all the sordid details.
In no way did I imply that Birgitte makes rash conclusions. Nor did I comment about any stalker being an admin or bureaucrat. It was SlimVirgin who made that assertion, not me.
Fair enough. SV can answer for herself.
The opening post of this thread linked to a Digg page about an Article by David Shankbone. You made a number of tangential posts, then failed to recognize his name when I used it. It was I who started that Digg and David cited me in his article.
It's enough to follow these arguments on WMF sites without following the bickering on another site such as Digg.
Three times this week I have posted to my blog on the topic, including a full quote and a diff of a threat against David. I posted it long before you requested that type of example here.
Hmmm! Are you suggesting that following people's blogs is important?
The word "prejudice" means premature judgment: to reach a conclusion before examining adequate evidence.
I don't recall calling anybody's comments in this thread as "prejudice."
Ec
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