You read me wrong. I am not happy because in contrast to you I find that
meta is too much of a time sync. To follow the diverse conversations that
are taking place it almost takes a full time job. When you add the
animosity when you come with arguments that are not considered, it is too
The notion that you get to cooperate and have mutual understanding is a
It does not mean that I give up, I do the things that I feel are important.
Things that are often contrarian. I feel that we should concentrate on high
schools for languages like Zulu and Yoruba because Wikipedia fellows will
not have any impact there. I feel that too much attention is given to
English Wikipedia; it is not 50% of our traffic and with an equal attention
to all other Wikipedias it would be even less. Even a success story like
gender gap is overrated because other gaps exist that are even worse:
Africa for instance has no percent of humans in Wikidata.
So no, I disagree with you. Your premises are wrong. They do not even work
On 11 June 2018 at 10:25, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your words, they matter to me!
I took a look to the page that you linked and I did some changes (I
explained them on the talk page), I hope you are ok with them.
In principle it is a good idea, but as always a group of people is needed
to put it in practice, and it doesn't seem that there is enough social
capital to start that.
It is true that Meta takes time, but it is the only place that can help us
coordinating a global movement so diverse as ours. It is also the only
neutral place where people from different projects can come and talk
without feeling that they are going to someone else's house (for instance
that is how it feels to go as a Wikidatan to Wikipedia and vice versa). And
without dialogue there cannot be real cooperation and mutual understanding.
Your private blog is fine, your work is fine, you can work your whole life
in isolation and be fine. However, if you want to listen to all the voices
and do something for them and for you, then you need some infrastructure,
social and technical. Meta is that place.
You seem to oppose volunteers receiving donations because of the overhead
that it will generate. I think that if that is the issue, then an effort
should be done to create shorter reports. Normally reports are long because
readers want them to be long, if there would be some understanding that
they take time from everyone, they could be shorter, or at least there
could be summaries.
Every person has a different situation and finds fulfillment in different
things, you cannot expect your situation to be universal, and if you are
fine with yours great for you. I am not so pleased with my situation, that
is why I want a change for myself, and of course for everyone that wants a
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:14 AM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
One reason why you do not get much traction is because many people,
included, found that there is little purpose in
spending time on Meta. It
is time spend in a frustrating way and it hardly ever results in the kind
of results you hope for. The time necessary to keep up with what is
there robs you of the time for projects. Projects
are practical and
on the things you really care for. For me that is
work on subjects that
> not get the light of day from most others.
> My meta thoughts I publish on my blog
, subjects are my projects and
> thoughts as I progress .I write there and to be honest, I do not expect
> much of anyone; I am happy with a single person seeing the benefits and
> contributing in what I do. Currently I work on African politicians, my
> interest on Ottoman and Islamic history is on hold for the moment. I find
> that my thinking is often controversial.
> Currently there are some moves about
paying admins, maybe others. I am
> strongly opposed because what you sponsor is not so much the work done
the ability to do the work *and *read Meta. Given
reports of ninety
> it is hardly feasible to keep up even with Wiki as a full time job. It is
> why we should not sponsor what are in effect policy tigers.
> When people talk about fulfilment and
having a life, in my current job, I
> work 51 hours a week, I have plenty of slack time; a few minutes here and
> there. For that Wikidata is excellent. In addition I have to shop, cook,
> wash the dishes... and be loving to my wife.
> On 10 June 2018 at 02:08, Richard
Ames <richard(a)ames.id.au> wrote:
> > Micru,
> > I think a lot of us care.
I wish you well!
> > Some time ago I tried to
put some thoughts around volunteering at the
> > I thought it needed to be better planed / managed.
> > I could not get enough
interest to progress the conversation.
> > You may wish to read
> > and the talk page thereof.....
> > Regards, Richard.
> > On 10 June 2018 at 06:25,
David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>
> > > Aubrey,
> > > You speak so much
truth in your words that I'm feeling overwhelmed
> > <cut>
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