On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Finn Aarup Nielsen <fn(a)imm.dtu.dk> wrote: Although the technology required to make a WikiCite happen will be applicable to a more generalized wiki for storing data I think that is too broad for the current proposal. A WMF analogue to Google Base is an entirely new beast that has its own requirements. I certainly think it's an interesting and worthwhile idea, but I don't feel that we are there yet. As the 'key' (the wiki page title) I use the (lowercase) title of the I noticed that AcaWiki is using the title, but I am personally not a fan of it. The motivation for using a key comes from BibTeX. When you cite an entry in a publication in LaTeX, you type \cite{key}. Also, I think most bibliographic formats support such a key. The idea is that there is a universal token that you can type into Google that will lead you to the right item. The predictable disambig is in the format I sent out (which likely needs modification for other kinds of sources). The format is Author1Author2Author3EtAlYYb. Here is a real world example from a pair of very prolific scientists, Deco & Rolls, who published at least three papers together in 2005. In our lab we have really come to love these keys - they are very memorable tokens that you can verbally pass on to other scientists in the midst of a discussion. Eventually, if they enter the key you have given them into Google, they will get the right entry at "WikiCite". DecoRolls05 - Synaptic and spiking dynamics underlying reward reversal in the orbitofrontal cortex. DecoRolls05b - Sequential memory: a putative neural and synaptic dynamical mechanism. DecoRolls05c - Attention, short-term memory, and action selection: a unifying theory. I have one field to each author so that I can automatically link authors. This is accomplished via Semantic Forms, using the arraymap parser function. You just provide a comma-separated list of authors, and they each get semantic property definitions and deep linking to all papers published by that author. I do not include abstracts in my CC-by-sa'ed wiki, since I am not sure how Yes, I have added many nice features to WikiPapers that can unfortunately not make it into the proposed WMF project. Some can, some can't. For example, adding papers to the wiki is via a one click bookmarklet. First, you highlight the title of a paper anywhere on the web, be it a webpage, e-mail, or journal site. Then, you click your "Add to wiki" bookmarklet. On my webserver I am running the citation scraping software from Connotea, CiteULike, and Zotero. I also have a Google Scholar scraper and PubMed importer. You can choose to use one of those sources, or you can choose to merge all of the metadata together. It's automatically added to the wiki for you. Additionally, I have written a bash script that is very adept at getting the pdfs from journals, so it automatically tries to download the pdf and upload it to the wiki for you. I have also implemented the ability to compute the articles that an article cites, and vice versa. With respect to abstracts these scrapers aren't that great. Abstracts usually come from PubMed, whose database you can license, but you cannot change their metadata IIRC. Ultimately, I think the community will have to take a very careful look at what data can be added to the wiki and design policies accordingly. On Wikipedia I believe copyright enforcement has largely been up to the community, and it takes a long time to converge on appropriate policies. Needless to say, much of the technologies I described in the last paragraph would not be found legal on a public wiki. I am not sure what 'owner' is in your format. Surely you cant have owners in The 'owner' field is a misnomer, but in lieu of mysql support it lets you know which individuals have that entry in their personal bibliographies. dateadded is needed due to what at least used to be a bug in Semantic MediaWiki. We probably need to check on the final format of the bibliographic template I have written extensive amounts of Python interchange code between wiki template syntax and BibTeX. I chose BibTeX because it is rather standard, our lab uses it, and it is very similar to template syntax. Also, I use Bibutils to convert from BibTeX to most popular formats, and vice versa for mass import of bibliographies: http://www.scripps.edu/~cdputnam/software/bibutils/ As I understand there are issue with Semantic MediaWiki with respect to As I was writing a custom Lucene search engine for WikiPapers I realized that it is a perfect replacement for Semantic MediaWiki. Lucene has fields, it supports boolean operators and you can format its output. All that is needed is to write the Lucene backend (perhaps just modifying MWLucene) and write a parser function that supports using templates for formatting of the output of queries. Lucene is extremely fast and can scale to whatever we can imagine doing. That's my proposed plan. It not 'necessarily necessary' to make a new Wikimedia project. There has I believe it is necessary. First, the idea is for any mediawiki anywhere (and any software with appropriate extensions) to be able to cite the same source. Secondly, the project would be multilingual. Cheers, Brian Mingus Graduate Student Computational Cognitive Neuroscience Lab University of Colorado at Boulder