It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I don't know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I don't know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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Looks fine to me.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I don't know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners. Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive feedback to pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed? Passing along the note "and some people disliked the banners" is unlikely to produce much actual change.
Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of alternatives can be saved and passed along as well.
-greg (User:Varnent) Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I don't know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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To be clear by "our banners" I meant Wikimedia banners - not elections banners. ;)
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners. Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive feedback to pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed? Passing along the note "and some people disliked the banners" is unlikely to produce much actual change.
Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of alternatives can be saved and passed along as well.
-greg (User:Varnent) Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I
don't
know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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Oh, it's not about the idea of banners or about their usual performance, it's about this particular ribbon. When I set anonnotice or sitenotice on a big wiki, I aim the statement to be aligned with UX... discoveries. Don't set extensive dark backgrounds (unless it's about to be accessibility-oriented), use one colour palette, don't use many icons, borders or any additional/unnecessary/redundant elements in general, be consistent. WMF has UX team (it even has a Visual Experience Designer), I kindly suggest to watch their efforts and make our users benefit from that.
On 22 April 2015 at 16:58, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear by "our banners" I meant Wikimedia banners - not elections banners. ;)
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum@gmail.com
wrote:
I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners. Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive feedback to pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed? Passing along the note "and some people disliked the banners" is unlikely to produce much actual change.
Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of alternatives can be saved and passed along as well.
-greg (User:Varnent) Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I
don't
know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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I should note it was a WMF design consultant that did this and not a volunteer (well - that it was not a committee volunteer I can verify). My understanding was they were working from UX team's guidelines as they design other banners for WMF. The request that we received was to go with a banner design that was intentionally not the same as others. However, I will pass the notes along for the next designs.
Also, I recognize it wasn't about the banner's existence or performance - I meant that I hear complaints about the design of nearly every banner that goes up. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a recent banner that I haven't heard a few folks offer opinions about improving the look of. My personal opinion is that it's an ongoing process, and the banners used often reflect a snapshot in strategies being tried at that exact moment.
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, it's not about the idea of banners or about their usual performance, it's about this particular ribbon. When I set anonnotice or sitenotice on a big wiki, I aim the statement to be aligned with UX... discoveries. Don't set extensive dark backgrounds (unless it's about to be accessibility-oriented), use one colour palette, don't use many icons, borders or any additional/unnecessary/redundant elements in general, be consistent. WMF has UX team (it even has a Visual Experience Designer), I kindly suggest to watch their efforts and make our users benefit from that.
On 22 April 2015 at 16:58, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear by "our banners" I meant Wikimedia banners - not elections banners. ;)
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum <
gregory.varnum@gmail.com
wrote:
I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners. Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive feedback
to
pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed? Passing along the note "and some people disliked the banners"
is
unlikely to produce much actual change.
Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of alternatives can be saved and passed along as well.
-greg (User:Varnent) Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com
wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I
don't
know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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Aye, I asked a designer to give some nice options and presented them to the committee. While there are certainly some people who have not liked the banner I have generally heard good feedback overall from community members (significantly more good then bad) and have made adjustments to the banner to make it more accessible after some comments over the past 2 days. The banner is certainly a bit more colorful then most but that is, indeed, very much on purpose.
The board specifically asked Philippe and I to create some banners that are a bit flashier so that we could draw attention to the call for candidates (and the desire for diversity) and, later, the election itself. There was a strong concern that the traditional banners were significantly harder to notice and pay attention too and that drawing your eye was important for this work.
There is no doubt that *any* banner gets complaints and is at some level intrusive. However, I will say that it was important to me, personally, not too be 'too' flashy. This is an election banner, not a fundraising banner, and that's why I made it clear to our designer that it had to be smaller and 'relatively' simple comparatively (this is actually smaller then many/most banners that are shown for non-fundraising purposes just brighter) and I think we came to a safe balance.
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
I should note it was a WMF design consultant that did this and not a volunteer (well - that it was not a committee volunteer I can verify). My understanding was they were working from UX team's guidelines as they design other banners for WMF. The request that we received was to go with a banner design that was intentionally not the same as others. However, I will pass the notes along for the next designs.
Also, I recognize it wasn't about the banner's existence or performance - I meant that I hear complaints about the design of nearly every banner that goes up. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a recent banner that I haven't heard a few folks offer opinions about improving the look of. My personal opinion is that it's an ongoing process, and the banners used often reflect a snapshot in strategies being tried at that exact moment.
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, it's not about the idea of banners or about their usual performance, it's about this particular ribbon. When I set anonnotice or sitenotice
on a
big wiki, I aim the statement to be aligned with UX... discoveries. Don't set extensive dark backgrounds (unless it's about to be accessibility-oriented), use one colour palette, don't use many icons, borders or any additional/unnecessary/redundant elements in general, be consistent. WMF has UX team (it even has a Visual Experience Designer), I kindly suggest to watch their efforts and make our users benefit from
that.
On 22 April 2015 at 16:58, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear by "our banners" I meant Wikimedia banners - not elections banners. ;)
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum <
gregory.varnum@gmail.com
wrote:
I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our
banners.
Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive
feedback
to
pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed? Passing along the note "and some people disliked the
banners"
is
unlikely to produce much actual change.
Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of
alternatives
can be saved and passed along as well.
-greg (User:Varnent) Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com
wrote:
It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that
I
don't
know) but we had way better designs before.
Best
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The banner without the ribbon is good, but the ribbon is unnecessary and too flashy IMHO, I asked several people and didn't get even one positive feedback. And my friends agreed it is the ribbon. We could use something else to make the banner noticeable, now it's noticeable but in a bad way.
Best
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:24 PM James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
Aye, I asked a designer to give some nice options and presented them to the committee. While there are certainly some people who have not liked the banner I have generally heard good feedback overall from community members (significantly more good then bad) and have made adjustments to the banner to make it more accessible after some comments over the past 2 days. The banner is certainly a bit more colorful then most but that is, indeed, very much on purpose.
The board specifically asked Philippe and I to create some banners that are a bit flashier so that we could draw attention to the call for candidates (and the desire for diversity) and, later, the election itself. There was a strong concern that the traditional banners were significantly harder to notice and pay attention too and that drawing your eye was important for this work.
There is no doubt that *any* banner gets complaints and is at some level intrusive. However, I will say that it was important to me, personally, not too be 'too' flashy. This is an election banner, not a fundraising banner, and that's why I made it clear to our designer that it had to be smaller and 'relatively' simple comparatively (this is actually smaller then many/most banners that are shown for non-fundraising purposes just brighter) and I think we came to a safe balance.
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
I should note it was a WMF design consultant that did this and not a volunteer (well - that it was not a committee volunteer I can verify). My understanding was they were working from UX team's guidelines as they design other banners for WMF. The request that we received was to go
with a
banner design that was intentionally not the same as others. However, I will pass the notes along for the next designs.
Also, I recognize it wasn't about the banner's existence or performance
- I
meant that I hear complaints about the design of nearly every banner that goes up. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a recent banner that
I
haven't heard a few folks offer opinions about improving the look of. My personal opinion is that it's an ongoing process, and the banners used often reflect a snapshot in strategies being tried at that exact moment.
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, it's not about the idea of banners or about their usual
performance,
it's about this particular ribbon. When I set anonnotice or sitenotice
on a
big wiki, I aim the statement to be aligned with UX... discoveries.
Don't
set extensive dark backgrounds (unless it's about to be accessibility-oriented), use one colour palette, don't use many icons, borders or any additional/unnecessary/redundant elements in general, be consistent. WMF has UX team (it even has a Visual Experience
Designer), I
kindly suggest to watch their efforts and make our users benefit from
that.
On 22 April 2015 at 16:58, Gregory Varnum gregory.varnum@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear by "our banners" I meant Wikimedia banners - not
elections
banners. ;)
-greg
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum <
gregory.varnum@gmail.com
wrote:
I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our
banners.
Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive
feedback
to
pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed? Passing along the note "and some people disliked the
banners"
is
unlikely to produce much actual change.
Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of
alternatives
can be saved and passed along as well.
-greg (User:Varnent) Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk < tar.locesilion@gmail.com> wrote:
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback
from
several volunteers.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgroup@gmail.com
wrote:
> It's horribly ugly, I expected more. > > I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons
that
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