In a message dated 2/23/2007 7:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, cbrown1023@comcast.net writes:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
More or less. My point is that we don't *need* fair use images, and in this particular instance, a fair use image would have prevented us from obtaining a free one. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/23/2007 7:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
More or less. My point is that we don't *need* fair use images, and in this particular instance, a fair use image would have prevented us from obtaining a free one.
So let's try a controlled experiment. Remove all non-free and fair use images of current NBA players, and measure the rate at which free pictures are added. If the experiment fails there should be no technical difficulty in restoring the fair use images.
Ec
Ray,
if you want to have a little experiment, NBA players might be a good playingfield. But as in medicine, you should have a check group. Take a similar sized group, make a list of the persons with fair use images, and at the end of the experiment, see which group has more free images added to them.
i wish you health and happiness, teun spaans
On 2/24/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/23/2007 7:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
More or less. My point is that we don't *need* fair use images, and in
this
particular instance, a fair use image would have prevented us from
obtaining a
free one.
So let's try a controlled experiment. Remove all non-free and fair use images of current NBA players, and measure the rate at which free pictures are added. If the experiment fails there should be no technical difficulty in restoring the fair use images.
Ec
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Better still, *within* a category like "NBA players," randomize at the level of the individual page. I think this sounds like a great idea; let me know off-line if I can help.
Best, Jeremy
2007/2/24, teun spaans teun.spaans@gmail.com:
Ray,
if you want to have a little experiment, NBA players might be a good playingfield. But as in medicine, you should have a check group. Take a similar sized group, make a list of the persons with fair use images, and at the end of the experiment, see which group has more free images added to them.
i wish you health and happiness, teun spaans
On 2/24/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/23/2007 7:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
More or less. My point is that we don't *need* fair use images, and in
this
particular instance, a fair use image would have prevented us from
obtaining a
free one.
So let's try a controlled experiment. Remove all non-free and fair use images of current NBA players, and measure the rate at which free pictures are added. If the experiment fails there should be no technical difficulty in restoring the fair use images.
Ec
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I was going to suggest a different sport (perhaps American football) as the other group. A possible distortion from randomizing in one sport is that the person who adds the free pictures is likely to do so in batches that are accumulated independently of our randomizing process.
Ec
Jeremy Tobacman wrote:
Better still, *within* a category like "NBA players," randomize at the level of the individual page. I think this sounds like a great idea; let me know off-line if I can help.
Best, Jeremy
2007/2/24, teun spaans :
Ray,
if you want to have a little experiment, NBA players might be a good playingfield. But as in medicine, you should have a check group. Take a similar sized group, make a list of the persons with fair use images, and at the end of the experiment, see which group has more free images added to them.
i wish you health and happiness, teun spaans
On 2/24/07, Ray Saintonge wrote:
daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/23/2007 7:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
More or less. My point is that we don't *need* fair use images, and in this
particular instance, a fair use image would have prevented us from obtaining a
free one.
So let's try a controlled experiment. Remove all non-free and fair use images of current NBA players, and measure the rate at which free pictures are added. If the experiment fails there should be no technical difficulty in restoring the fair use images.
2007/2/25, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net:
I was going to suggest a different sport (perhaps American football) as the other group. A possible distortion from randomizing in one sport is that the person who adds the free pictures is likely to do so in batches that are accumulated independently of our randomizing process.
I think that comparing two sports will give much more distortion, exactly because of the batches in that case are NOT independent of our randomizing process. If you use randomizing within one group, such a batch of pictures would increase the numbers for both groups, and probably rightly so. If you use a different sports as your check group, it means that such a batch would go all to one side, thus causing quite a bit of distortion which may well not be related to the difference we are looking at.
Another problem I see is that it might take quite a long time to get results. I doubt whether a year would be enough to get a meaningful difference, even if a large number of pages are involved.
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