On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 8:22 AM Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+ Automatic translation of discussions is essential,
tangibly useful for
our communities, and very satisfying.
--> how can we bring this to Mediawiki? This is a core question for
community health, movement development, and tech. It is a straightforward
concept, not exclusive to Discourse, and we should learn from it.
I filed T309920 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309920> a while ago, it
has some technical details. IMO it's doable (although things usually turn
out harder than they look when they have to be built on top of an
unstructured soup of wikitext, but AIUI the Editing team has done some
great foundational work to make MediaWiki discussion pages more manageable,
so maybe these days that's less of an issue) but it would be a largish
project that would have to be slotted into the WMF's annual planning.
+ Forum threading and features (tags, emotes) are
nice, beloved by some.
They aren't "nice", they are essential for scaling discussion. Just like
you can't manage thousands of articles without some kind of category
system, you can't manage thousands of discussions without some kind of
tagging system. And likes or reacjis allow scaling up the number of
participants without excluding anyone from the discussion who is unwilling
to spend several hours a day on reading new comments - they both cut down
on the number of comments, and allow software to highlight the most
important or most representative comments.
--> how might we support integrating discourse
into a) mediawiki, b)
interwiki links? (so that a forum post could link to *m:Power_structure*,
and a meta post could link to *f:Wikischool*)
MediaWiki is concept-addressable; forum software aren't because they need
to deal with more and messier content. You could have something with like
*f:123* but I'm not sure it adds value over plain links.
– Wikimedia Space was closed after a year, and its
links no longer resolve.
I apologize for that. Space needs to be migrated from Debian Stretch to
Buster as part of a generic upgrade of Wikimedia Cloud infrastructure. I
volunteered to do it but it turned out to be non-straightforward, or
possibly I've been going at it wrong, I ran out of time, and then kinda
forgot about it. I'll try to wrap it up soon.
--> how can we add discourse into current
versioning + archiving
A good question regardless! There was some discussion in T235235
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235235>, but it didn't go far.
See also T262275 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T262275>, which is
about a different Discourse site (which I didn't think was worth keeping
up), but it shows a minimal-effort solution for keeping discussion content
available and links working in perpetuity, although in a rather ugly format.
~ what it might look like for this to later become a more standard part of
our wikiverse (e.g., *forum.wikimedia.org/c/strategy
There's a bunch of discussion at
on why a *.wikimedia.org domain is unlikely to be used anytime soon.