Hey Pine, For me, this is just a small and visible part of the iceberg, sadly. I not will go deeper in that, because I do not have stomach for, patiences, and way to do that. I already send massages to Asaf pointing this, in respect. But thanks for the tip. Cheers. On 22 May 2014 03:52, ENWP Pine &lt;deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: response -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Hello Lila, I wanted to answer your question regarding the bubbles in the bubble chart as that chart has been pulled from our *Program Evaluation (beta)* reports, this one from the Wiki Loves Monuments report, available at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Library/WLM The bubble charts are intersecting data along three dimensions, an x- and y- axis as well as a z-axis illustrated by bubble size. That particular chart, "Graph 2: Budget, participation, and photos added," illustrates the number of participants along the horizontal x-axis, budget along the vertical y-axis, and number of images uploaded along the vertical z-axis illustrated by bubble size and numeric label. The data represent 11 Wiki Loves Monuments implementations in 2012 for which we had all three points of data reported. The reviewed contests had budget inputs ranging from less than $1,000 USD to almost $17,000 USD. The number of participants ranging from 75 to 2,005, and the number of images added ranged from nearly 2,000 to more than 30,000. (The raw data are also available in the original report as appendix tables) The varying sizes of the bubbles — with larger bubbles representing more images uploaded — show that the number of photos increase significantly when events have over 500 participants. There does not seem to be a direct relationship between budget, participant count, or images uploaded. The bubble size doesn't get larger or smaller — meaning when more money is invested in an Wiki Loves Monuments implementation, that doesn't mean the event will have a higher participant count or a higher upload count. Hope that helps to clarify the chart. Please let me know if you have further questions! Best regards, Jaime -- Jaime Anstee, Ph.D Program Evaluation Specialist Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6869 www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! *https://donate.wikimedia.org <https://donate.wikimedia.org/>* On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Lila Tretikov &lt;lila(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: for https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Hi, I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value generate by this type of competition, in my opinion. At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival <http://2014.okfestival.org/> next July, books and games, all catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this is from a very tiny organization 6 month old. The results from this competition led by the education program coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for me or some prize related to photograph. I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic was raised. Tom _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Dear Rodrigo, As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ the competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going towards a solution) is primarily obstructive. What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest your effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or to help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being empowered effectively. Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to accomplish) this is probably the least impactful moment to have this discussion - a few months earlier or later would have been. Best, Lodewijk 2014-05-31 3:50 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: your _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Hi Rodrigo, asking questions about a WLM competition would be the right time now indeed. But then you should phrase your questions that way: are they still planning to organize a WLM, how can you help them and what are they planning budget/prize wise. You could also suggest to plan an evaluation moment between those two, to evaluate for example the prizes. Whether it is a chapter, WMF project or something else shouldn't matter (if it does, it usually is a sign something goes wrong). I'm just saying that complaining about the WLE competition right now is unhelpful - nothing is going to change anyway because the competition is already underway. In that case, it is more effective to wait until it is finished so that you can evaluate, and learn from it. You could focus right now on formulating questions to ask during evaluation. If you share those in advance, people can already think a bit about them. This is not a matter of caring or not caring - this is a matter of being effective and efficient. Best, Lodewijk 2014-06-01 2:06 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < rodrigo.argenton(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: of not (WMF with the to accomplish) consulting, are partners whole value this could avoid for topic ?subject=unsubscribe> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>