PixelACHE 05 Stockholm Panel, April 12 2005
Finnish Embassy, Stockholm
Our own Anthère was on a panel of 4 speakers, on the topic of
"Dot-org Boom": How internet organizations are taking their place alongside
journalists and experts. She spoke on the history and success of Wikipedia.
Judging by the comments, Wikipedia was definitely the star of the day.
Lars Aronsson, the founder of "Project Runeberg" (the swedish
Project Gutenberg) and "susning.nu", a Swedish project similar to Wikipedia
that had great success during 2001-2002 before the Swedish wiki started to
pick up steam.
The panel
Naeem Mohaiemen
(from New York, London and Bangladesh) who spoke on a combination of
participatory websites and art installations he has created to draw
attention to the American muslim community and the gap between their
perception in America and the reality.
There were thre more speakers:
Robert Stachel (Austria, topic:
community tv and radio), Kai Kuikkaniemi (Finland, topic:
<http://digitalopenandfree.org>), Juha Huuskonen
(Finland, topic: electronic
subcultures).
I think I can confidently say that Florence's talk was the best received and
the most relevant to the audience, at the end of the day. She's an excellent
speaker, by the way.
If there's interest I can write more about the 4 speeches.
Steve Rapaport
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1.
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo (Erik
Moeller)
2. Re: Comment on Copyright Orphans (Ray Saintonge)
3. Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Expanding CheckUser permissions
(David Gerard)
4. Re:
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo
(Sj)
5. Re:
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo
(Tim Starling)
6. Re: Re:
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo
(Ray Saintonge)
7. Talking about stewards (Walter van Kalken)
8. Did I just violate the GFDL? (Richard Holton)
9. Re: Did I just violate the GFDL? (Erik Moeller)
10. Re:
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds Wikinews logo
(Angela)
11. Re: Did I just violate the GFDL? (Andre Engels)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:19:06 +0200
From: Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de>
Subject: [Foundation-l]
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org> adds
Wikinews logo
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>rg>,
wikinews-l(a)wikimedia.org
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Hi,
for the last couple of months, Wikinews and The World Forum
(
www.theworldforum.org <http://www.theworldforum.org>) have enjoyed a very
productive cooperation. TWF
reposts Wikinews stories (allowing us to appear on the
news.google.com<http://news.google.com>
frontpage several times), and the editor, "Drog", has now also started
submitting his own stories to Wikinews as public domain.
I've given Drog the go-ahead to link to Wikinews using our logo on the
frontpage. I thought that given the recent discussions about logo
copyright & licensing, it might be a good idea to report this here.
(On a related note, I feel that David Vasquez has done an excellent job
refining the logo. It looks much more optimistic and welcoming than the
logos of most news sites.)
All best,
Erik
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:41:11 -0700
From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Comment on Copyright Orphans
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
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Yann Forget wrote:
Hi,
Le Tuesday 12 April 2005 16:35, The Cunctator a écrit :
>We should be making an official comment on the issue of copyright
orphans
now before
the U.S. Copyright Office. The deadline is May 9.
From
http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/:
(...)
>This is clearly something the Wikimedia Foundation should officially
weigh
in on.
I totally agree with this.
I already put my previous submissions into the mailing list. It's No.
697 in the records of the Copyright Office. All 714 submissions may be
read as pdf files. Is there a way to do a text search for all those pdf
files to see if any other submissions used the string "wiki"?
The current round of submissions is for responses to what has already
been submitted. In the sampling that I have looked at there seems to be
a very strong something-needs-to-be-done trend.
One observation that I have made about the submissions favouring the
status quo is the emphasis on the rights of current authors, and seem
not to mention the rights of the author's descendants at all. Having
Life + 70 really doesn't do anything for the authors themselves. More
ironic is their tendency to view proposed changes to the copyright
regime as attempts by corporate interests to undermine the rights of
authors and artists. It seems to me that the corporate interests have
sold them a bill of goods.
Another important article to read from "Wired" is this by Julian
Dibbell:
http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/12.11/linux.html
There is a lot for many of us to learn from what is going on in Brazil.
Ec
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:43:36 +1000
From: David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Expanding CheckUser
permissions
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>rg>,
wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org
Message-ID: <20050412184336.GP23009(a)thingy.apana.org.au>
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Puddl Duk (puddlduk(a)gmail.com) [050413 02:36]:
On Apr 12, 2005 8:35 AM, David Gerard
<fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
> > ...invasion of privacy by potentially
removing anonymity from the
use of
> > Wikipedia. Please let this tool be a
last resort in serious cases.
> Precisely. That's why anyone using it
needs to have an awareness of
these
> issues and proceed with extreme caution.
Guarantees of restraint from the current users of
this feature are
fine, I'm sure that Tim and David are trustworthy, but that's the here
and now. The feature needs some built in oversight.
Those with access to it see all uses, ever. Tim has also made this list
available to others.
Users should be notified when CheckUser is run on
them (something like
a message notice, that only they can see). Waerth noted that this
will cause some controversy with users when they see they have been
investigated, which is true. But this makes a good deterrent of abuse.
Anyone who runs it will have a damn good reason, knowing that they
may have to explain themselves. Also, many requests for sockpuppet
checks are public, so informing the users who were checked isn't any
different in these cases.
You're writing the code to do this, then?
Waerth also notes on, meta, that 90% of the
checks will be on innocent
users. If this is the case, then I have to question how solid the
reasoning is for checking those 90%.
One thing I've just asked on [[m:CheckUser]] is for ideas on what the
criteria should be. As I noted, spurious allegations of sockpuppetry are
de
rigeur on en: arbitration cases. One thing that frustrates me at present
is
there are quite a few I think I should *maybe* look into but don't feel
certain enough to because there isn't a clear case to hand.
Finally, notifying a registered user when their
identity is checked is
just a decent thing to do.
There is that. OTOH, when I was investigating the socks of the 'Baku Ibne'
troll, I came across use of the same IPs by good users and checked their
IPs as well. Now, should we be revealing too much information to them
about
an ongoing investigation?
And also: any website will look through the logs in detail if they suspect
abuse. The devs do this *all the time already*. And they *do not* notify
anyone in particular. The key to this feature is not doing anything that
isn't done already, it's giving access to a small subset of it to people
who aren't actually Wikimedia system administrators, mostly so the system
administrators can get on with running the site.
- d.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:32:26 -0700
From: Sj <2.718281828(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l]
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org>adds
Wikinews logo
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
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Yes, M. Vasquez managed to polish a vaguely worrisome logo into a
world-class one. And with the wikinews skin redesign approaching...
the *fully operational* wikistar will be beautiful as well.
SJ
(On a related note, I feel that David Vasquez has
done an excellent job
refining the logo. It looks much more optimistic and welcoming than the
logos of most news sites.)
Does anyone know of other uses of a globe icon rotated to that longitude?
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:55:10 +1000
From: Tim Starling <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Re:
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org>adds
Wikinews logo
To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
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Sj wrote:
Does anyone know of other uses of a globe icon
rotated to that
longitude?
An amusing example:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
"Uncle Joe (Stalin), Churchill, and Roosevelt laid the master plan to
bring in the New Age under the United Nations," Johnson discloses with
confidence. "The world ruling power was to be right here in this
country. After the war, the world would be declared flat and Roosevelt
would be elected first president of the world. When the UN Charter was
drafted in San Francisco, they took the flat-earth map as their symbol."
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:30:36 -0700
From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: TheWorldForum.org<http://TheWorldForum.org>adds
Wikinews logo
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
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Tim Starling wrote:
Sj wrote:
>Does anyone know of other uses of a globe icon rotated to that
longitude?
An amusing example:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
"Uncle Joe (Stalin), Churchill, and Roosevelt laid the master plan to
bring in the New Age under the United Nations," Johnson discloses with
confidence. "The world ruling power was to be right here in this
country. After the war, the world would be declared flat and Roosevelt
would be elected first president of the world. When the UN Charter was
drafted in San Francisco, they took the flat-earth map as their symbol."
LBJ could only wish so much.
Some of his successors still believe that they have been elected leaders
of the free world.
Ec
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:42:40 +0700
From: Walter van Kalken <walter(a)vankalken.net>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Talking about stewards
To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
<foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Message-ID: <425C6B00.2010405(a)vankalken.net>
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With all the talk about stewards ...... I thought the stewardcollection
would be expanded in March? Either through election or by Jimbo's choice?
Waerth/Walter
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:45:34 -0500
From: Richard Holton <richholton(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Did I just violate the GFDL?
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Message-ID: <4a37983b0504122045749fab74(a)mail.gmail.com>
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I just copied the contents of [[template:inuse]] from en:wikipedia to
meta, to a page of the same name. Do I also need to copy the edit
history? Or do I need to link back to the en page? Or just mention
that it came from the en wikipedia?
Should I sleep with my boots on in case the GFDL police come beating on my
door?
--Rich Holton
[[W:en:User:Rholton]]
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:13:44 +0200
From: Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Did I just violate the GFDL?
To: Richard Holton <richholton(a)gmail.com>om>, Wikimedia Foundation
Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Message-ID: <425C9C78.8010007(a)gmx.de>
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A link in the edit summary
GFDL, copied from
http://__.wikipedia.org/wiki/____
should be sufficient in cases where display of the notice in the body is
clearly impractical.
Erik
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:40:09 +0200
From: Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l]
TheWorldForum.org <http://TheWorldForum.org>adds
Wikinews logo
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
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On 4/12/05, Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:
I've given Drog the go-ahead to link to
Wikinews using our logo on the
frontpage.
http://www.theworldforum.org/
World Forum is not just using the logo. It is also claiming to be "In
Association With Wikinews", which implies a lot more than simply
making use of our content.
The logo appears directly underneath a "Visit our advertisers" notice.
This needs to be removed to prevent people being misled into thinking
that their donations to the Foundation are being wasted on paying for
advertising on such sites.
Something stating that _some_ content is from Wikinews would be more
appropriate. At the moment, the Wikinews logo appears more prominently
than the site's own logo, giving the impression that Wikinews has far
more influence over the site than it does.
Angela.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:19:23 +0200
From: Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Did I just violate the GFDL?
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Message-ID: <6faf39c9050413011943a43041(a)mail.gmail.com>
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On 4/13/05, Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:
A link in the edit summary
GFDL, copied from
http://__.wikipedia.org/wiki/____
should be sufficient in cases where display of the notice in the body is
clearly impractical.
Better would be to give the usernames of the main authors as well.
Andre Engels
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