Bonjour,
Après avoir expertisé l'état des données contenues dans le site fr.wikiquote, la fondation Wikimedia considère que le matériel hébergé dans la base du site fr.wikiquote ne présente pas les garanties minimales de sûreté juridique nécessaires à la pérennité du projet. Le site va donc être entièrement repris pour être effacé et relancé. Une politique plus exigeante de traçabilité des citations mises en ligne sera instaurée sur la version II de fr.wikiquote. Cette décision a été prise dans l'intérêt de l'ensemble des projets mis en oeuvre par la fondation Wikimedia.
--English Translation --
Hello,
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched. A policy requiring greater traceability of quotations will be put in place on fr.wikiquote version II. This action has been taken for the benefit of all Wikimedia Foundation projects. Translations can be made into other languages after the announcement for the benefit of Wikiquotes in other languages that may be interested. Any such translations should if possible work from the original French text, this is a French announcement.
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Jean-Baptiste Soufron wikimedia foundation chief legal officer
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched. A policy requiring greater traceability of quotations will be put in place on fr.wikiquote version II. This action has been taken for the benefit of all Wikimedia Foundation projects. Translations can be made into other languages after the announcement for the benefit of Wikiquotes in other languages that may be interested. Any such translations should if possible work from the original French text, this is a French announcement.
Are you sure it is a good idea to reopen fr.wikiquote ? Look at the history.. most contributors are IP, there is no regular control by users.. In other words, the wikiquote community is insufficient to fullfil the legal criterias you mentionned above. In one year or so, you will have to delete the DB again.
The site should be kept closed until a trusty group of people show some interest in this project. Afaik, there is no such group atm.
-dake
We'll see. We gave a lot to make it possible for this project to re- start. Let's give it a try.
Best,
JBS
Le 30 mars 06 à 16:25, dake a écrit :
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched. A policy requiring greater traceability of quotations will be put in place on fr.wikiquote version II. This action has been taken for the benefit of all Wikimedia Foundation projects. Translations can be made into other languages after the announcement for the benefit of Wikiquotes in other languages that may be interested. Any such translations should if possible work from the original French text, this is a French announcement.
Are you sure it is a good idea to reopen fr.wikiquote ? Look at the history.. most contributors are IP, there is no regular control by users.. In other words, the wikiquote community is insufficient to fullfil the legal criterias you mentionned above. In one year or so, you will have to delete the DB again.
The site should be kept closed until a trusty group of people show some interest in this project. Afaik, there is no such group atm.
-dake
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On 3/30/06, Jean-Baptiste Soufron jbsoufron@gmail.com wrote:
We'll see. We gave a lot to make it possible for this project to re- start. Let's give it a try.
Perhaps it should go through a similar process like the Wikinewses first - have a list of people on Meta who are willing to work on the project, and maybe even some of the key policies written before the project is launched. I would certainly advise to have a discussion about this before setting up the wiki.
Erik
On 3/30/06, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/30/06, Jean-Baptiste Soufron jbsoufron@gmail.com wrote:
We'll see. We gave a lot to make it possible for this project to re- start. Let's give it a try.
Perhaps it should go through a similar process like the Wikinewses first - have a list of people on Meta who are willing to work on the project, and maybe even some of the key policies written before the project is launched. I would certainly advise to have a discussion about this before setting up the wiki.
Seconded. The rules are ready and drastic, but the difficulty will be to enforce them. And that cannot be done without dedicated people willing to spend time doing it.
Delphine -- ~notafish
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I have received some responds from people who are under the impression that this is an April Fool's Day joke of the Wikimedia Foundation to the community.
I can assure you as a member of the WMF communications committee that this is not a joke.
Greetings, [[meta:user:Walter]]
C'est un jour triste ! Mais votre mot, Monsieur, m'a donné l'espoir; il sera relancé.
Back to our normal mode, Mon chou, you say it should have been closed and erased as whoe because of too many copyvio. But please, Soufron or any other FR WQ editors, can you give me a list of articles which are really copyvio? Because I imported some stuffs from frwq to ja, and now I'm afraid if those pages on ja should be deleted also. (Most of them are classical authors due to jawq submission policy; no author alive or died 50+ years before must not have their pages on JA WQ.)
Pour vos collaborations a propos, *bisous*
Aph
On 3/30/06, Jean-Baptiste Soufron jbsoufron@gmail.com wrote:
Bonjour,
Après avoir expertisé l'état des données contenues dans le site fr.wikiquote, la fondation Wikimedia considère que le matériel hébergé dans la base du site fr.wikiquote ne présente pas les garanties minimales de sûreté juridique nécessaires à la pérennité du projet. Le site va donc être entièrement repris pour être effacé et relancé. Une politique plus exigeante de traçabilité des citations mises en ligne sera instaurée sur la version II de fr.wikiquote. Cette décision a été prise dans l'intérêt de l'ensemble des projets mis en oeuvre par la fondation Wikimedia.
--English Translation --
Hello,
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched. A policy requiring greater traceability of quotations will be put in place on fr.wikiquote version II. This action has been taken for the benefit of all Wikimedia Foundation projects. Translations can be made into other languages after the announcement for the benefit of Wikiquotes in other languages that may be interested. Any such translations should if possible work from the original French text, this is a French announcement.
Jean-Baptiste Soufron wikimedia foundation chief legal officer
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
-- Aphaea@*.wikipedia.org email: Aphaia @ gmail (dot) com
Well, then the best thing to do would be to go to your jawq contributions... and source them !
Best,
JBS
Le 31 mars 06 à 09:31, Aphaia a écrit :
C'est un jour triste ! Mais votre mot, Monsieur, m'a donné l'espoir; il sera relancé.
Back to our normal mode, Mon chou, you say it should have been closed and erased as whoe because of too many copyvio. But please, Soufron or any other FR WQ editors, can you give me a list of articles which are really copyvio? Because I imported some stuffs from frwq to ja, and now I'm afraid if those pages on ja should be deleted also. (Most of them are classical authors due to jawq submission policy; no author alive or died 50+ years before must not have their pages on JA WQ.)
Pour vos collaborations a propos, *bisous*
Aph
On 3/30/06, Jean-Baptiste Soufron jbsoufron@gmail.com wrote:
Bonjour,
Après avoir expertisé l'état des données contenues dans le site fr.wikiquote, la fondation Wikimedia considère que le matériel hébergé dans la base du site fr.wikiquote ne présente pas les garanties minimales de sûreté juridique nécessaires à la pérennité du projet. Le site va donc être entièrement repris pour être effacé et relancé. Une politique plus exigeante de traçabilité des citations mises en ligne sera instaurée sur la version II de fr.wikiquote. Cette décision a été prise dans l'intérêt de l'ensemble des projets mis en oeuvre par la fondation Wikimedia.
--English Translation --
Hello,
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched. A policy requiring greater traceability of quotations will be put in place on fr.wikiquote version II. This action has been taken for the benefit of all Wikimedia Foundation projects. Translations can be made into other languages after the announcement for the benefit of Wikiquotes in other languages that may be interested. Any such translations should if possible work from the original French text, this is a French announcement.
Jean-Baptiste Soufron wikimedia foundation chief legal officer
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
-- Aphaea@*.wikipedia.org email: Aphaia @ gmail (dot) com _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Jean-Baptiste Soufron cersa-cnrs paris 2 +33 (0)6 17 96 24 57 http://soufron.typhon.net
Jean-Baptiste Soufron wrote:
Après avoir expertisé l'état des données contenues dans le site fr.wikiquote, la fondation Wikimedia considère que le matériel hébergé dans la base du site fr.wikiquote ne présente pas les garanties minimales de sûreté juridique nécessaires à la pérennité du projet. Le site va donc être entièrement repris pour être effacé et relancé.
fr.wikiquote.org est maintenant effacé.
Le nouveau site serait relancé si existe des participants...
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched.
fr.wikiquote.org has now been taken down.
A new site will be relaunched if there are people interested in working on it...
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Thanks Brion and all who worked to fix the whole wikiquote issue.
Maybe we did not choose the best date...
Ant
Brion Vibber wrote:
Jean-Baptiste Soufron wrote:
Après avoir expertisé l'état des données contenues dans le site fr.wikiquote, la fondation Wikimedia considère que le matériel hébergé dans la base du site fr.wikiquote ne présente pas les garanties minimales de sûreté juridique nécessaires à la pérennité du projet. Le site va donc être entièrement repris pour être effacé et relancé.
fr.wikiquote.org est maintenant effacé.
Le nouveau site serait relancé si existe des participants...
After analyzing the data contained in the fr.wikiquote site, the Wikimedia Foundation has determined that the material stored in the fr.wikiquote database does not provide the basic assurance of legal soundness necessary to the permanence of the project. Therefore, the site will be entirely taken down to be erased and relaunched.
fr.wikiquote.org has now been taken down.
A new site will be relaunched if there are people interested in working on it...
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
You 're probably the only one in the world to celebrate April's fool on March 31 then, flo :p villy
Le 01/04/06, Anthere Anthere9@yahoo.com a écrit :
Thanks Brion and all who worked to fix the whole wikiquote issue.
Maybe we did not choose the best date...
Ant
I have not changed yet all my watches, nor the cell phone....
Jean-Christophe Chazalette wrote:
You 're probably the only one in the world to celebrate April's fool on March 31 then, flo :p villy
Le 01/04/06, Anthere Anthere9@yahoo.com a écrit :
Thanks Brion and all who worked to fix the whole wikiquote issue.
Maybe we did not choose the best date...
Ant
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