On 29/03/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: In particular, the Board needs to state in as many words: "Those in the Foundation who view their role as Foundation versus volunteer writers and editors are working severely against the role ofthe Foundation." And enforce it as needed. - d.

David Gerard wrote: By default, I speak as an individual human being. I would not dare say anything in the name of the Foundation, without the agreement of the other board members :-) Besides, activity on meta is unrelated to Foundation issues. It is not the Foundation wiki. Nor the chapter wiki. It is every editor in a Wikimedia Project wiki. So, there is no reason to introduce the Foundation here. I ask because I am not on the communication committee. I do not have access to the communication committee mailing list. So, I have no idea what was discussed there since it was created. I am actually not even allowed to post to that list. So, sorry, I do not know which opinions were expressed by Villy and Delphine on the topic of the english wikipedia. I can not help you here... Fairly problematic ones Hmmmm. Recent discussions showed that this affiliation was actually quite limited. We foresee that the bylaws will be modified in that respect in the future. Note that I absolutely have no idea what is the relationship between 1) categorizing meta and deleting historical articles and essays 2) Affiliation of Wikimedia France with the Foundation 3) Villy and Delphine opinion on en.wikipedia You got me entirely lost here David :-((( I note that Aurevilly just Hum ? Well, Aurevilly has had some personal issues recently (which are none of this list business). He took a short wikibreak a few days ago. Imho, blanking his page on en.wikipedia is totally unrelated to anything he could have said about the english wikipedia. I fear you are in a wrong path here... Just the thing for a Foundation person to Hmmmmm. I *think* that all the people working on Foundation issues are suffering considering stress these days. This has extremely little to do with any opinion we could have with one project or another. I myself was on a semi-wiki break most of last week. You may have noticed other people posting less frequently than before. It is difficult to work on Foundation issues, because the Foundation is suffering growing pains. It is difficult for us to find the *right* path, or at least the least *bad* path. It is difficult for us to agree when we know some decisions may have HUGE consequences on the whole project. And aside from this weight about responsability, Foundation people share a difficulty to take care of all issues in timely fashion. There is a lot to do, and many of us also have a life aside from the Foundation. It is not always easy to have everything fit together. Most of us need breaks from time to time. We just are more or less noisy when we do so :-) I do not think it is fair to consider these "breaks" as contempt for the projects. Usually, it really is not... Hum ? Villy is not on the french association board... But, yes, the french people have a certain proeminence which might appear shocking to english editors :-) Ant PS : from time to time, I still go editing on en.wikipedia. Often anonymously actually ;-) Yesterday night, I needed a cool time. I went to take care of the ecoregions. I did some tagging and categorizing during a full hour. I think I started working on the ecoregions more than 3 years ago. Now, I do not do much. There is an editor, Radulovitch. He has been working on ecoregions for more than 2 years. He is, little by little, doing an absolutely fabulous work. I admired it yesterday night. Then, I helped a little categorizing it better. It is possible to contribute on en.wikipedia while keeping very little interaction with the other editors (in particular avoiding most of the mindless arguments and useless edit wars). It is very relaxing. There is no reason to see the english wikipedia the enemy...

Again a personal attack ? Please give me break now. I blanked my :en.page at a time where I got fed up with all the projects ... for 48 hours or so. You can check this out. I blanked my French page too, I blanked my Commons page and so on. It has *nothing* do to *at all* with my personal view toward en: wikipedia, this is childish ; on the contrary, it was caused by a huge troll on the French wikipedia. So please, don't be paranoïd. What about, again, "assume good faith"? As to the fact I declared once that I didn't *care* about the position of the English community, you know very well that it was to underline that, on a special contentious issue for Foundation (and I specify that it was related to a French project), my job as a lawyer was not to fathom *any* community but to try to give a legal advice. And I added that people like you or others in the Comcom were in situation of caring for communicating with communities and that it was a good thing too. Didn't I wish good luck? I resent very much you're acting with such a bad faith that you dare telling I have contempt for the English community. This is wrong and dishonnest. Many of my wiki friends belongs to the English community. I spend a lot of time on the French project, on the Commons, on meta, in the Legal Dpt and in the Special Projects Committee, does that make me an ennemy. I'm trying my best to help out, but I'm not prepared to such a bashing. To make it short, unless you express some apologies, you should be ashamed of yourself to pretend talking for the English community. You are *not* this community but only a unpleasant individual. villy ~~JC 2006/3/29, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>: