Hi all,
Thanks for discussing this topic. It is clear the publication of this
information is important to some community members. The Elections Committee
and Board Selection Task Force approved publishing a complete list of which
affiliate organizations voted in a table
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Affiliate_Organization_Participation>
.
Best,
Jackie
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 11:45 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Of course it's like that Ilario,sometimes some
usergroups are
"userpersons". and as person involved in the previous ASBS election I
politely hinted that aspect as much as possible in the past. Also,
sometimes even some chapters are mostly few key persons when relationship
with WMF is involved, but it's easier to start from UGs to handle the issue.
i had some general idea of what you are supposed to facilitate if you want
real transparency in these processes and I felt that was not fully there.
Instead of building on previous know-how, the process was restarting again
and that do not get great functionality in WMF, usually. It's like knowing
for sure that these sort of mails would have happened at the end.
I had no time to look carefully, but that was kinda of a feeling and as a
result, despite being a first contact and having a decent know-how, I
decided not to engage the affiliate in the process. The affiliate I
represent is small and fragmented and lacks a strong identity yet, I know
for sure that getting to a meaningful ranking would have taken a lot of
effort and in May and June I simply had no time. Or it would have resulted
in me pushing my ideas in a way or another, and that was not correct. Like,
many people are ns-0 users and don't now names, so they trust your side of
the story.
So I decided to skip it. I was asked a contact for the first step and
replied by mail that in May I had no time to even start a thread on meta
about deciding whom to select (it would have been me, probably, but I did
not feel it was correct).
my choice was either focusing properly as a UG on the WIkisummit
application or that, and I did at least properly the first one. I could
have taken part in the process probably representing 90% myself, nobody
would have noticed.
Alessandro
Il sabato 23 luglio 2022 17:59:01 CEST, Ilario Valdelli <
valdelli(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
I think that there is a very sensible point here.
Sometimes behind some usergroups there is not a specific community but
only few people and sometimes some usergroups are "userpersons".
Being more transparent helps to demonstrate that the whole process has
been conducted appropriately but also to have an overview that affiliates
have voted really on what their community proposed.
Kind regards
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 3:28 AM Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am disturbed to see some community members blithely dismissing the need
to protect the well-being of potentially vulnerable community members,
This is not some functionary volunteer role, nor is it a scholarship to
attend some event. The affiliate and the members of the Board of Trustees
are both very public facing aspects, when a person is on the Board of
Trustees their identity is public
https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/ . It is obvious that a
truly vulnerable person would not even put themselves into a BOT
position. It's important for members of the community to know who their
affiliate chose to represent them because it's a reflection of that
community. I know some affiliates actually didnt consult their communities
for input into the decision process before the fact so knowing after the
fact is at least pretending to be transparent in the voting.
On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 at 06:01, Benjamin Lees <emufarmers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think there's anything blithe in pointing out that an
after-the-fact promise of secrecy serves no one. Affiliates had to decide
whether to vote without knowing whether the list would be published (but
hopefully realizing that the username of their voter would be published,
although I'm not sure if this was made clear). The main effect of post-hoc
secrecy here would be to sow confusion and set up unrealistic expectations
about future votes; in the last affiliate-selected board seat process, not
only was the list of voting affiliates published, but *their individual
votes were as well*: <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Asbs_presentation_matches_with_stv_…gt;,
and for the reasons Lodewijk describes, we might well wish to return to
such full transparency in the future.
If a decision either way had been made and communicated beforehand,
affiliate voters could have made an informed decision, but as with most of
the rules for this election, it was announced in the middle of the
election, rather than in the many months before it. In any event, I agree
with SJ that this is a decision to be made by the elections committee, not
WMF staff.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:45 PM Robert Fernandez <wikigamaliel(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I am disturbed to see some community members blithely dismissing the need
to protect the well-being of potentially vulnerable community members,
especially in a community that usually prides itself on the ability to
participate anonymously.
That said, perhaps we could publish the names of participating affiliates
who affirm the wish to be named publicly.
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