Hoi,
I like Dejavu. Dejavu at this moment does not cover what we need. We do need
Chinese, Japanese and Korean; to be fair we need more then UTF-8 is able to
offer. What I intended to do is indicate ways of spending money. The
question is how to spend money and how to get the most bang for our buck.
Creating content in for instance the four languages that I singled out,
would be relatively cheap. We can generate a lot of content that will apeal
to the people for whom it is their mother tongue or for whom it is a major
language.
Creating new fonts or making existing fonts Open Source is a worthwhile
goal. We can work on the extension of Dejavu, it is not unlikely that we can
Open Source existing fonts more cheaply. In the end, the real difference is
made when an end user is provided with information in a better way.
In the original thread the argument was about spending money. We should when
it furthers our goal. Fonts is in my opinion one. In the end, when we spend
money we want to have a result. When we are to invest in Dejavu, the work
done has to be welcomed by the people behind Dejavu.
In my opinion, the first order of busines re fonts is getting something out
that is available and free. Esthetics are secondary. When the WMF provides
the funding, it will be heavy lifters doing the work not our volunteers.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi,
As I have to spell it out for you:
- Wolof: 3,612,560 people
- Swahili: 772,642 first language 30,000,000 second language users
- Xhosa: 7,214,118 people
- Zulu: 7,214,118 first language 15,700,000 second language users
Dejavu status:
zu Zulu 100% (52/52)
100% (52/52) 100% (52/52)
sw Swahili 100% (52/52)
100% (52/52) 100% (52/52)
xh Xhosa 100% (52/52)
100% (52/52) 100% (52/52)
wo Wolof 100% (66/66)
100% (66/66) 100% (66/66)
(
http://dejavu.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/dejavu/tags/version_2_2…
unfortunately the status hasn't been updated in a little while)
For those who are unware the Dejavu fonts are a family of high quality
truetype fonts (
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
with a fairly wide coverage of unicode.
Dejavu does not yet cover all of unicode (the most notable big gaps
are the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean character sets). The primary
reason Dejavu does not yet cover everything is because quality is the
highest priority (well below being free). A comprehensive font which
is ugly or otherwise has poorly matched characters (incompatible
metrics and such) is not something that many people will want to use
if they have any choice. Most modern systems can substitute characters
from other fonts if the selected font has holes in it, so Dejavu
allows that to happen until it has quality replacements that fit
nicely with the rest of the characters.
Dejavu's focus on quality means that it's suitable for everyday use by
everyone with a supported language, and not just by extreme-polyglots
who are perhaps more tolerant of ugly print. Dejavu has been the
default font set on the current GNU/Linux distributions for some time
now.
I'm sure the Dejavu folks would welcome contributions from Wikimedians
interested in improving the coverage and quality of the font.
It may also make sense at some point to declare it to be the 'standard
font' for the projects, and prefer it via CSS for improved consistency
as well as support for the panoply of bizarre characters that even
English Wikipedia utilizes. (at least for users who are willing to
download it and install it... at well over a megabyte for the complete
character set, sending it dynamically is pretty much out of the
question! ;) )
(Preferring something like the currently non-free code2000 font would
also provide better coverage of unicode... but on most projects doing
so would get you shot: that font is not visually appealing in the
slightest)
It is people who speak languages. It is people we
aim to provide
information
to.
As to the Mozilla Foundation; the point is that our aim is to provide
information to all people. It is essential that the infrastructure is
there
to achieve it. Fonts are essential in this game.
The Mozilla foundation
is
to provide functionality to people that are
already on the web. In what
we
aim to do, we do not say that people have to be
online in order to be
part
of our potential public.
Indeed. Fonts are important. But they are important to a great many
people outside of Wikimedia. Other projects like Fedora Linux, and
OLPC depend on good fonts even more than we do, so the bulk of the
work has already been done by others and is already freely available
without any action on our part.
What gaps remain must be filled, but that is work that should be
coordinated through the real heavy lifters in this space, and not
Wikimedia which does not have a past history of font production or
distribution.
Cheers
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