Victoria, Does the restriction on "Disclosure of a person's identity or other private information without their consent" forbid the Foundation from sharing the geolocation and IP addresses of editors with researchers under NDA or law enforcement officials claiming to have, e.g., an Interpol subpoena? Sincerely, Jim Salsman On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Victoria Coleman <vcoleman(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

James, let's stay on topic, please. If you want to talk about other issues then please start a new thread. Victoria, I have mixed feelings about this statement. I agree that we want to have civility in technical spaces, and a technical code of conduct is one important way of working toward that goal. I also agree that having ways to resolve disputes and deal with problematic behavior is important. On the other hand, I think several aspects of your statement are less than ideal. * This situation is being discussed civilly in a single thread on Wikitech-l, and I see no reason to start a new thread. * You added Wikimedia-l to this discussion, and Wikimedia-l is outside of the scope of the TCoC. I think that adding Wikimedia-l to the discussion is an unnecessary escalation. Please refrain from unnecessary escalations. * While the opinions of the WMF executives are somewhat influential, my understanding is that WMF wants the Technical Code of Conduct and the committee that enforces it to have political legitimacy in the community. Involvement of the WMF C-levels works against that. I think that you should let the participants in the discussion (which I feel is now generally tense but constructive) work out this situation among themselves / ourselves without the intervention of WMF executives. Although there are situations in which the intervention of WMF executives would be helpful, I think that this isn't one of them. * The statement that you made comes across to me as endorsing the status quo. I am not sure that this was your intent. I feel that adjustments to policies and practices should be considered, partially based on the constructive portions of the discussions that are happening on Wikitech-l. I agree that the TCoC Committee has a difficult job when the try to do it well, and I support the goal of having civility in technical spaces. I think that it would be possible, and appropriate, to express support for good-faith efforts of the Committee's members and those participating in the discussion in Wikitech-l, and for the goals of the CoC, without unnecessary escalation or intervention from WMF executives that may make a difficult situation more challenging. Sometimes less involvement is the better way to achieve one's goals. Thank you for listening, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

As a total random, I'd also like to second this - as much as I think the CoC and the committee in particular have room to improve in how things are handled, this will never happen without proper support for the work they're doing in the first place. While some of us have been somewhat flabbergasted by specific events, these are after all the people we need to be working with to actually resolve the issues at hand, and indeed the events (and handling thereof) themselves have also highlighted the need for more clearer standards moving forward. I'm glad to see some steps have already been taken. Let's continue in this vein. Thank you! -I On 14/08/18 18:08, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: