Lgo over your points:
"a spam magnet".
There has been no spam at all since 23 November.
"not educational: outside our mission"
What's not educational about the events and consequences of the September 11th
"not a community: scope too narrow"
You're missing most of the project. It's not only about those who died or for
their relatives. It's about September 11th and it's consequences, which so far
include the invasion and conquest of two countries and a wide variety of other events.
Try the New York Times and the vast amount of other coverage. You'll find related
articles in every major newspaper every day and are likely to do so for for some
considerable time to come.
The memorials aren't supposed to be neutral, since that's not the point of a
memorial. The biographies and details of events are supposed to be.
Maybe. The coverage should eventually be encyclopedic so encyclopedia seems to fit fairly
well but I suppose wikimedia wouldn't be too out of place.
You also appear to be under the misapprehension that it's a static project. I suggest
you take a look at recent changes and notice that it's still growing, though coverage
of the events isn't as great as it could be, by far.
With respect, you miss the point of the project. It's not simply a dumping ground for
things the English language encyclopedia doesn't want. It is a place where the wealth
of details about the events and their consequences can be covered. Those details are
removed from the encyclopedia and are what prompted my own interest in the project, since
I'm interested in truly comprehensive coverage.
If you've any concerns about the technical work involved in keeping it running and
growing, I suggest you put them to rest. An extra project entry in scripts isn't at
all hard to manage. 'foreachwikidb localhost "do whatever"' covers
hundreds of databases already. So do the rest of the scripts used to maintain the sites.
Add a thousand more and it's not a big deal either.
From: "Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales" <jwales(a)wikia.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:08:19 -0800
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] sep11.wikipedia.org
I support this concept, and will host it for free wherever the major
Erik Moeller wrote:
is a spam magnet, and not really
project of its own:
* not educational: outside our mission
* not a community: scope too narrow
* not verifiable
* no NPOV
* improperly located: sep11.wikipedia.org
suggests association with
Wikipedia - it even uses a Wikipedia logo
We're apparently so embarrassed by it that we hide it from most of our
"Sister Projects" lists.
Well, I won't be too negative - there are some valuable memories there
that deserve to be preserved, and volunteers have kept it in presentable
So here's my offer:
With Board authorization, I would go over these pages, and transform them
into a static website. This could be located at some URL which has yet to
be decided, maybe 911memories.org
or something like that. I would prefer a
location that is not directly associated with Wikimedia, though it could
be labeled a Wikimedia publication.
Wikipeople has been brought up as a potential assimilation project, but
that strikes me as too vague, and there's no real thrust behind it, and
I'm not sure Wikipeople is a good idea in the first place, so the static
version seems like the best way forward for now. We would of course
preserve and make available the wiki database in case we ever want to
integrate it into something else.
Another option would be to host it at Jimbo's free wiki hosting service,
. That would disassociate it from Wikimedia while still
allowing interested people to work on it.
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