Yaroslav is right it is difficult to wade through every minor diff to see a
pattern and AN/I is incapable of reacting to anything but the extremes,
that doesn't mean we don't try to find alternative ways and improve on the
way we deal with issues
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 19:10, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In addition, (English Wikipedia) ANI can reasonably
well deal with one or
several highly problematic diffs, but very often we have a long pattern
which can result in a long series of diffs, so that each one is
unproblematic or slightly problematic, but all together thay may constitute
a harassment pattern and make the victim feel very unpleasant. ANI is
absolutely not capable of dealing with this situation, and usually ArbCom
can not handle it either. In my situation, I overreacted a couple of times,
and then every time I would try to raise the question at best it would be
called "keeping old grudges" and I was advised to "grow thick skin",
but
more often that it was told it was my fault and in fact it was harassment
from my side. ArbCom was not capable of performing any better. To be
honest, I do not see how T&S can perform better either. An investigation of
such situation would require wading through thousands of diffs and
reconstructing the whole episodes, and I just do not see how this can be
done.
Best
Yaroslav
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The whole purpose of harassing someone is to put
them under pressure, to
make the victim upset and force them away from editing. Creating a clear
list
of problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events is
impossible during the incident, when all thats desired is to have the
immediate abuse stopped. Emotive language is a call for help, seasoned
abusers know how to play the game AN/I and the community knows them so
when
they boo the community accepts their version. At
AN/I and as Vermont
explain its the victim that has to be restrain their language, its the
victim that has to be calm, its the victim that has to clearly lay out
all
the diffs, its the victim that has to
recount/relive the whole of the
abuse. The victim is not at fault but until the system supports the
victim
the problems of in grained abuse and hostility by
old hands is going to
remain.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 17:51, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I see.
>
> The English Wikipedia, and most projects in general (from my
experience),
> are not perfect at handling problems with
established editors.
>
> This is to be expected. However, there’s some element of draconian
secret
policing
present in having a brigade of T&S employees handling any and
all
conduct issues. We ha e local communities, and in
most cases they are
successful in handling issues, but when an editor’s social clout is
involved, and/or when there’s incivility/harassment from multiple
parties,
it quickly becomes a larger issue that often ends
with little to no
action.
With this issue specifically, it’s minor and local community functions
would very likely have been able to manage it properly had the
discussions
continued. The formation of the messages also
help determine the
outcome; a
message saying they were told to report there
with no links but one to
the
> editor’s userpage is not very helpful for people viewing it. A list of
> problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events is
> quite helpful for those viewing it. The latter is much likely to result
> successfully than the former.
>
> Also, T&S actions are not quick and easy either. Their investigations
are
usually
quite extensive and take equally extensive periods of time.
Communities act quicker, and though the volunteers may be affected more
by
> personal prejudice than employees of the WMF, we are a collaborative
> project that relies on community input.
>
> Hopefully the UCoC is successful with setting reasonable definitions
and
> expectations for community enforcement of
conduct policies, though in
my
view
larger projects are not the most pressing issue to be addressed by
the
UCoC. This instance of sexual harassment is minor
when viewed in
perspective. It’s clearly uncivil and a problem, and we don’t know how
the
ANI section would have ended up if continued
(though I would have
supported
a strong warning and block if it continued,
perhaps an IBAN), but it
could
have been handled locally. Take a look at most
projects with under 30
admins. Small community, usually tightly knit, with entrenched
hierarchies
> of social clout. Those projects are where extreme incivility, blatant
> bigotry, and clearly biased administrative actions occur most often.
Not
to
mention non-harassment/incivility issues like
copyright violations,
backwards policies, and historical revisionism, completely ignored by
local
administrators, which hopefully at some point can
be mitigated as well.
Regarding Fæ’s email, it would be interesting and useful to see a study
on
> boomerangs at ANI. It does seem prevalent for newer editors,
experiencing
> biting from more established editors, to be
unable to seek
rectification
for the
more established editor’s conduct. It is unfortunately also
common
> that, when incivility exists, some of it is present on both sides,
making
these
issues much less clear-cut and dramatically increasing the
potentiality for a boomerang.
Best,
Vermont
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 15:40 William Chan <william(a)wchan.hk> wrote:
> Why the harassed normally email T&S but not seeking local help:
>
>
> Sometimes some kinds of harassment against a person or a group is an
> orchestrated attempt driven by off-wiki matters. Considering the
> "importance" of Wikipedia and it's sister projects, and the
fundamentally
> > huge size of the movement, it seemed mostly unnoticeable in some
cases.
These kinds of planned harassment (not only sexual harassment but all
forms
> of harassment) would not normally be observed in large languages used
by
> > different nations because the sheer size of the user base diluted
their
> > attempts.
> >
> > However, if language becomes national and got very limited outside
use
> > apart from the country they are from
(i.e. Japanese in Japan, or
Korean
in
> Korea,etc. Not saying they have a serious sexual harassment problem,
just
> an example), harassment against the minority
may appear in all forms,
> including but not limited to blocking them from any administrative
posts,
> > to sexual harassments to an outright ban of some individuals. In this
> case,
> > local bodies which deal with harassing would be normally held by
those
> who
> > are, or show sympathy to the harasser, and that is the problem.
> >
> > Local governance (last stand) bodies are usually opaque in nature -
the
> > elections to those bodies are normally
fair, but it is not
transparent
enough of what they do just because they are
volunteer.
Those very large communities normally have a (relatively) inefficient
speed
> to deal with issues because of the number of problems they receive.
> The irony is that, for the smaller communities is, the abuser would
have
> > some connection with the last-stand bodies, that would mean conflict
of
>
interest - though with much irony, COI is not observed when they are
> playing Wikipolitics.
>
> This means, you either get a local "slow safe soace" because they
receive
> > too many case to review per day, or an "unsafe safe space" because
> > harassers know those who deal with these reports.
> >
> >
> > You either get a language that is too big and inefficient to treat
> reports,
> > or languages that, because of the size, they harasser may just
outright
> know
the ones who deal with these problems. That's why T&S needs way
more
> people.
>
> And not all languages have self-governing bodies.
>
>
>
> P.S. Written by someone who had emailed T&S about harassments against
> himself. One harasser got a conduct warning while the other one got
> foundation-blocked.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 22:54 Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For a person to report harassment they must first feel safe to do
so.
> Not
> > everyone is capable of dealing with or participating in a public
debate
>
about whether they have been harassed, there is a significant
difference
> > between arguing facts on a topic and dealing with harassment and
> offensive
> > comments directed at you. Its a very effective method of ensuring
that
> you
> > can keep control of subject areas, or part of Wikipedia. What is
going
> > > unnoticed, unrecorded and never dealt with is the same people make
> > personal
> > > attacks and harass contributors repeatedly, many of these people
are
> >
protected by other at AN/I or large followings that ensure they are
> almost
> > untouchable.
> >
> > Just like this thread dismissing problems when they are raised is
> > unhelpful, and has a chilling effect on productive outcomes. The
lack
> > of
> > > alternative safe ways to address issues has been a problem for many
> years
> > > driving away 1,000s of good contributors.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 21:47, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
> > > wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I fail to understand how requiring public report of
> publicly-occurring
> > > > harassment is a problem.
> > > >
> > > > If people are being harassed constantly via off-wiki
communication,
> > > > emailing a local admin team
or T&S is definitely the best thing
to
do
> if
> > > they don’t want to make it public in an on-wiki report.
> > >
> > > However, if it’s on-wiki, I don’t see any viable reason as to why
it
> > > should
> > > > not be reported on-wiki as well. By no means is it “doubling
down”
on
> > > > harassment; that doesn’t even make much sense considering that it
> isn’t
> > > the
> > > > collective community making the harassment, it’s an individual.
It
also
> > > doesn’t matter at all what the harasser feels like either; if
they’re
> > > > blocked after a civilly-written and clear-cut report on ANI it
> doesn’t
> > > > matter what they think. It’s not acceptable to have a secret
police
> > team
> > > to
> > > > handle every content issue; community input exists for a reason,
> > > especially
> > > > on collaborative projects like this.
> > > >
> > > > Further, when did anyone say the community is not willing to
handle
> > > > harassment issues? It truly
bothers me to see people write
nonsense
>
like
> > > this.
> > >
> > > I will restate:
> > >
> > > Local communities appoint administrators to enforce consensus.
There
> is
> > > > consensus that harassment should be responded to with warnings
and,
> if
> > > > repeated or severe, blocks.
> > > >
> > > > These administrators usually have a mailing list and an on-wiki
> > > > noticeboard. These noticeboards are open for anyone to create
> sections
> > > on,
> > > > and unless a request was clearly made in bad faith or
intentionally
> >
misled
> > > readers, there is practically no chance of successful retaliatory
> action
> > on
> > > the part of the individual who created the harassment.
> > >
> > > In this case, a section was made on ANI, multiple editors
commented,
> > and
> > > > for some reason the section was removed mid-discussion. It is to
be
> > > > expected that someone with an
independent viewpoint would seek
less
> > > radical
> > > > action than someone directly a party of the dispute. In this
case,
there
> > was incivility and arguable harassment coming from both parties,
though
> > > clearly “cutie” is not conducive to the desired contributory
> environment.
> > >
> > > Simple conduct cases are not the sort of issue for T&S. Let them
(and
>
often
> > stewards) handle the threats to life, the vandals trying to find
where
> > > editors live, the IPs making terrorist threats, the new accounts
> > uploading
> > > child pornography, the vandals spreading the private details of
> editors,
> > > etc. Basic conduct issues can be handled by local administrators.
> > >
> > > And for the “chilling effect” of reporting issues like this
publicly,
> if
> > > someone is incapable of seeing other people interpret events
another
> > way,
> > > > disagreeing with them, or not wanting as drastic and immediate
> action,
> > > they
> > > > may not be suited for a collaborative project.
> > > >
> > > > There are easy ways to handle people who are clearly harassing
you
> >
on-wiki:
> > > 1) Ask them to stop. If they refuse,
> > > 2) Create a section on ANI giving a short, simple, and unbiased
> > explanation
> > > of the issue with diffs.
> > > 3) Wait for editors and admins to comment. If the community
believes
> it’s
> > > problematic enough to warrant action, action will be taken. If no
and
> > the
> > > > harassment continues continues,
> > > > 4) Most projects have other methods of handling issues like this.
> > Enwiki
> > > > has ArbCom for this, simplewiki has community sanction
discussions,
>
other
> > > projects have other methods.
> > >
> > > At no point would removing the ANI report mid-discussion be
helpful.
> And
> > > doing so then claiming that it’s the community’s fault is clearly
> > > incorrect.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Vermont
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 01:46 Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers
are
> > > > criminals
> > > > > > and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious
offense.
> Any
> > > kind
> > > > > > of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are
not
> the
> > > law
> > > > > > and not above the law.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikipedia is not above the law.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The international aspects and the fact that WMF protects
editors
> >
privacy
> > > > makes options outside the movement very limited to only the
extreme
> end
> > > of
> > > > the scale. Beside the legal aspect its a cop out for the
Community
> &
> > > WMF
> > > > to
> > > > > dismiss any harassment as something they cant do anything
about,
> this
> > > > > response is why AN/I is also a waste of time and why so much
> > harassment
> > > > > never gets dealt with, ultimately why the movement has
difficulty
> in
> > > > > attracting under represented groups
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 13:14, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
> > > > > anonymuswikipedian(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The code of conduct is not a law.
> > > > > > People who are harassers are criminals and not above the
law.
> > > > > > Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of
harrasment
is
> an
> > > > > offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not
above
> the
> > > > law.
> > > > > Wikipedia is not above the law.
> > > > > People who seek help should be appointed to the right
specialized
> > > > > > authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Safety team from my experience, will not help any
> wikipedian/victim
> > > who
> > > > > > with report a harrasment case. They are just another
department
of
> > > > > wikimedia foundation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any people is important and count.
> > > > > Please take what ever actions you think is necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers <
> > > > > robert.myers(a)wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And there the problem lies, going to local authorities
(police)
> > isn’t
> > > > > > going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged
crime
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > > committed in their jurisdiction, which can be
limited,
> anonymous
> > > > nature
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the person who committed the alleged crime makes it
difficult
> to
> > > > > identify
> > > > > > > the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the
> > jurisdiction
> > > > make
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the past,
WP:LEGAL
> > used
> > > > > > against
> > > > > > > those who have reported threats of physical violence
or
> > harassment
> > > > > > > (physical stalking) to law enforcement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint
process
for
> > > serious
> > > > > > > allegations, since on-wiki processes can be
inappropriate
and
>
acts
> > > as a
> > > > > > chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the
> > victim(s).
> > > > The
> > > > > > same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), where
the
> > > > > > allegation(s) are
false or vexatious and malicious
grievances.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this
issue,
> it
> > > > might
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Robert Myers
> > > > > > > robert.myers(a)wikimedia.org.au
> > > > > > >
http://www.wikimedia.org.au
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος
Βικιπαιδιστής <
> > > > > > > anonymuswikipedian(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia
this is
not
a
> > > matter
> > > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to
you
local
> > > > > authorities
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > report it. This is a very serious matter to just
become
an
>
essay
> > > for
> > > > > > > someone or belive that it can be solved by
administrators
or
> > > safety
> > > > > > team.
> > > > > > > > Safety team in my harassment case told me to
"politely"
ask
my
> > > > > harrasers
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such
a
> serious
> > > > > matter!
> > > > > > > Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by
trained
and
> > > > serious
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > by your local authorities.
> > > > > > > > I wish someone could told me that in my case then
and not
> point
> > > me
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > safety team. They will not help you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης
Gnangarra <
> > > > > > > gnangarra(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > έγραψε:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> If someone feels harassed then a public
noticeboard is
the
> > last
> > > > > place
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> send them for help, that is an absolute
failure of the
> > > community
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >> understand that the act of reporting is also
doubling
down
on
> > the
> > > > > harm.
> > > > > > >> Doing so publicly is indicating to the person
committing
the
> > > > > harassment
> > > > > > >> that they have succeeded in causing harm.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> This folks is the very reason why we fail to
retain
editors
> > and
> > > > > breach
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> imbalance of editors and continue have
trouble with
bias.
> > > > Everyone
> > > > > > > speaks
> > > > > > > >> english but the cultural nuances of the
language vary
> greatly
> > > with
> > > > > > words
> > > > > > > >> having multiple meanings and being used
specifically to
> cause
> > > > > offense.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> The word cutie has its meanings;
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> - of being nice looking when talking about
kids and
> animals
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> but once its used referring to an adult as
part of a
> > discussion
> > > > its
> > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > >> to that of them being;
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> - of being an arsehole
> > > > > > > >> - of being picky
> > > > > > > >> - and of having sexual connotations ranging
from you
are
> > > > fuckable,
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> your sexual orientation.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> When these complaints get to something like
AN/I those
> > cultural
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >> linguistic nuances get dismissed and the
person using
them
> has
> > > > > gained
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > >> of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement
of their
> > harassment
> > > > as
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > >> ok, with a bonus that other users are now
also enabled
to
>
harass
> > > the
> > > > > > >> complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I
will do
> nothing.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they
have
been
> > > > > harassed,
> > > > > > > >> whether we understand the depth of why they
feel
harassed
is
> not
> > > > > > relevant
> > > > > > >> but that should not be a barrier to prevent
further
> harassment.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde
<
> > > > > reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Hello Chris,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Harassments are treated on a case-by-case
basis.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> So, if this is something you aren't
comfortable
discussing
> > > > publicly,
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > >>> could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or
similar
body
in
> > > that
> > > > > > >>> community.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> If it's something that should be removed
from public
view,
> > you
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > >>> contact the oversight team.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> I can't see the contents of the
harassment, so I can
only
> > speak
> > > > > based
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >>> general principle.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Regards
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Isaac
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris
Sherlock, <
> > > > > > chris.sherlock79(a)gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> To be clear, this is what I was
advised:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> “ Harassment concerns can be reviewed
under the
> appropriate
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > >>>> process. I would therefore advise you
to report the
edit
> summary
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > >>>> appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If
this
happened
> on
> > > > > >> English
> > > > > >>>> Wikipedia, this would be the
Administrator's board for
> > incidents.
> > > > > >>>> I hope the above is helpful.”
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Chris
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock
<
> > > > > >> chris.sherlock79(a)gmail.com
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Hello all,
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I have been advised by the WMF that if
anyone is
concerned
> > > about
> > > > > > >> being
> > > > > > >>>> sexually harassed they must report this to
AN/I and
there
> are
> > no
> > > > > > >> private
> > > > > > >>>> mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Is this for real?
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Chris Sherlock
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >>>>
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