2008/9/14 Christiano Moreschi moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk:
Another good point. It's really a syndrome of "en's younger brothers" mentality. Said syndrome is usually marked by far more relaxed discipline than on en, and considerable antipathy towards en people who dare suggest that en standards might actually be better. This mentality, as I read it, is how Poetlister got a foot in the door at WQ: how the accounts there still aren't all banned and retain most privileges, how an attempt to merely tag them as socks based on FT2's meta report got reverted, and it also explains this thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#admin_abuse:_block_on_wikitionary Personally, I think some chips need to come off shoulders here. There needs to be greater cross-project cooperation, not pointless hostility for the sake of it.
The en:wq problem is fundamentally Aphaia enabling Poetlister's activities there, apparently due to resentment of en:wp or something. I think a detailed explanation from her is in order at this time.
- d.
Aphaia has said a number of times that she was involved in the investigation and didn't resent or have any negative feelings towards the en.wp folks involved in wrapping this up. So far those are the only clear statements that I've seen from her regarding her view of this event in a "cross-wiki" context. I understand from other comments that she isn't willing to focus on this problem until the question of en.wikiquote's future is resolved - although from what I read the last I checked, the proposal for closing en.wq was unlikely to even approach consensus.
It's as obvious to me as it is to most people - this person was engaged in a long-term project of bamboozling the entire Wikimedia community, not just individual wikis. It may be that it will take a Wikimedia community decision (and not an en.wikiquote community decision) to put an end to MB's presence on all projects. It may also be that most of us are used to the pace of decisions on the English Wikipedia - where responses to this sort of thing are very quick and complete. It is true that since the privileges of MB on WMF projects are contained and limited, the potential for damage (while we await action from en.wq and others) is small.
Nathan
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The en:wq problem is fundamentally Aphaia enabling Poetlister's activities there, apparently due to resentment of en:wp or something. I think a detailed explanation from her is in order at this time.
- d.
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2008/9/14 Christiano Moreschi moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk:
Another good point. It's really a syndrome of "en's younger brothers" mentality. Said syndrome is usually marked by far more relaxed discipline than on en, and considerable antipathy towards en people who dare suggest that en standards might actually be better. This mentality, as I read it, is how Poetlister got a foot in the door at WQ: how the accounts there still aren't all banned and retain most privileges, how an attempt to merely tag them as socks based on FT2's meta report got reverted, and it also explains this thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#admin_abuse:_block_on_wikitionary Personally, I think some chips need to come off shoulders here. There needs to be greater cross-project cooperation, not pointless hostility for the sake of it.
The en:wq problem is fundamentally Aphaia enabling Poetlister's activities there, apparently due to resentment of en:wp or something. I think a detailed explanation from her is in order at this time.
- d.
Looks like fairly standard issue of a wiki community not knowing what to do when confronted with a new situation. En has much the same issue when new things crop up although there tends to be more running around and drama.
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