If you make the Friday one earlier, it becomes more inaccessible to people in Asia and Western Australia who will likely be sleeping through the Thursday one. What about making both of them a couple of hours later? Angela _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

2009/9/29 effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com>om>: work like 2130 UTC sounds a little late to me if we want Europeans there. We're on daylight saving time for another month (ish), so in Western Europe, that is 2330, finishing at 0030. That's pretty late.

Best option would be to have two sets, one for Europe and one for the Americas. ________________________________ From: Cary Bass <cary(a)wikimedia.org> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:38:12 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Office hours -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It seems that I've gotten complaints that both sets of office hours times are difficult for Europeans. However, in the interest of having the broadest participation possible, I'm interested to know how people feel about one of the following: 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC) 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC) 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone possible! - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

There are people living in Asia and Australia as well actually ... you know! Oh wait they aren't "Western" people so why bother ......

Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still be possible to please most of the world. There are times when Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap .... There are no hours that all 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones. Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in)

Office hours for an Americas/Europe zone could be something like 1900 UTC till 2100 UTC (Afternoon/morning Americas, Evening Europe) When you plan round and bout these hours most of the world would be satisfied and able to participate in either one or the other set of office hours!

Thomas Dalton wrote: That is true ... but it would be awfully nice if they would do ... maybe change their hours for those particular days (instead of 9 to 17 work from 14 to 22?) otherwise it would be difficult to fit Asia/Australia in in  any schedule really. The other option would be something like 0200 utc (though very early for India) or 1400/1500 utc (but this would be very late for Japan and Australia/New Zealand). Personally I would opt for 0200 utc then as that would squeeze by best I guess ..... I know I was being a tad aggressive but I get pretty upset when people plan things conveniently for the Europeans and Americans and forget that there are 3.5 billion people on other parts of the planet out there some of whom do participate ..... W _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

The WMF have already offered to do it at two timeslots and if these are sufficiently different from each other then that's about all that can be done. You're never going to be able to please everyone in this issue.