In 2009 Creative Commons published "Defining Noncommercial", a 250-page
report presenting survey data on what people consider to be
"noncommercial". There is a copy of the report at
My summary of that report is that no one knows or cares what noncommercial
means, except that it is better than completely closed but still should not
be called free or open media. the majority of media using any CC license
has an NC license. Creative Commons advises that they do not know how to
define "noncommercial", and neither does anyone else. No one has any intent
to clarify the situation. Creators and consumers demand the ambiguity as a
feature. In practice, content creators imagine whatever they like when they
apply the license to their work, and remixers imagine whatever they like
when they reuse the work. The differences in imagination never get
reconciled or checked, and typically no one cares.
There is no organization anywhere which has ever given a reasonable or
thoughtful explanation for why they use NC licenses, where their concept
matches any common understanding of what an NC license actually does.
Creative Commons calls NC licenses "non-free", which I think is a great
place to start any conversation about them.
If anyone knows of an reasonable essay or statement justifying the use of
these licenses then please share on the article's talk page.
On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 6:17 AM James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not
the foundation but our movement
that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow
commercial reuse.
By the way EN WP also allows fair use of certain images which may not
permit commercial reuse in certain jurisdictions.
James
On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yury
I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Firstly, this isn't the right
venue
for a discussion of the general principle of
non-commercial licensing,
especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that
permit
commercial reuse. And secondly, there's
nothing to prevent a rights
owner
from granting a full/libre licence if they want
to for the works they
own:
so why would one need to advocate for it, here or
anywhere else?
Thrapostibongles
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:42 AM Yury Bulka <
setthemfree(a)privacyrequired.com>
wrote:
Hello everyone,
Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists
things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as
applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are
their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good
example for advocating for fully free/libre licensing of works.
Here's the page:
>
> The list of uses that they consider commercial use is quite
> interesting. For instance, it includes things like:
>
> - involving a counterpart, of a financial or other nature, regardless
of
the
beneficiary, title or grounds;
- in exchange for other goods, whether or not the exchange generates
direct or indirect revenues or gives rise to a payment of any nature
whatsoever;
- at places of work;
Best,
Yury.
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