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Erik Moeller

21 Dec 2022 21 Dec '22

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Worth a read: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-socia… "Our intention is to contribute to the healthy and sustainable growth of a federated social space that doesn’t just operate but thrives on its own terms, independent of profit- and control-motivated tech firms. An open, decentralized, and global social service that puts the needs of people first is not only possible, but it’s absolutely necessary." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation should get into the social media business, but it should IMO absolutely maintain an organizational presence on the fediverse (Mastodon & friends). It's a bit sad that the only social media profiles linked from https://wikimediafoundation.org/ are corporate ones -- especially as it's becoming quite clear that the fediverse is emerging as a singularly credible [1] alternative to Twitter, which is being run into the ground by its new owner. In other words, it would be wonderful to see a similar forward-looking statement & associated actions from Wikimedia Foundation soon :-). Erik [1] See, e.g., https://www.deweysquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSG-Snapshot-of-the-… for some number-crunching on where folks are and aren't going.

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David Gerard

21 Dec 21 Dec

1:16 a.m.

Legoktm runs https://wikis.world which a small number of Wikimedians and WIkimedia groups are already on. But yes - recommended best practice for organisations is to run their own instance. Putting an instance up on a domain you own is also a clear stamp of authenticity. Twitter has stayed up so far, but bits are visibly falling off. The assorted official Wikimedia accounts should be posting in the main federation too, from an official presence. - d. On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 at 00:01, Erik Moeller <eloquence(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Worth a read: > https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-socia… > > "Our intention is to contribute to the healthy and sustainable growth > of a federated social space that doesn’t just operate but thrives on > its own terms, independent of profit- and control-motivated tech > firms. An open, decentralized, and global social service that puts > the needs of people first is not only possible, but it’s absolutely > necessary." > > I don't think Wikimedia Foundation should get into the social media > business, but it should IMO absolutely maintain an organizational > presence on the fediverse (Mastodon & friends). It's a bit sad that > the only social media profiles linked from > https://wikimediafoundation.org/ are corporate ones -- especially as > it's becoming quite clear that the fediverse is emerging as a > singularly credible [1] alternative to Twitter, which is being run > into the ground by its new owner. > > In other words, it would be wonderful to see a similar forward-looking > statement & associated actions from Wikimedia Foundation soon :-). > > Erik > > [1] See, e.g., https://www.deweysquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSG-Snapshot-of-the-… > for some number-crunching on where folks are and aren't going. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

p858snake

2:22 a.m.

I know sammy/theresnotime was at one stage talking about spining up a proof of concept instance as a example on jow the foundation could run one for the official accounts. There is a phab task about mirroring/setting up mastadon accounts which can been seen at T323837

Kunal Mehta

22 Dec 22 Dec

3:33 a.m.

Hi, On 12/20/22 16:16, David Gerard wrote:

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Legoktm runs https://wikis.world which a small number of Wikimedians and WIkimedia groups are already on.

Thanks for promoting us! To clarify, this is absolutely a group effort, with Taavi, Lucas Werkmeister, and Nemo_bis being some of the main people involved. Our goal is to build the community organically, so we can take the time to properly scale up moderation resources, write documentation, etc. You can browse through our pretty vibrant local timeline, <https://wikis.world/public/local>, with people discussing public domain day, redactle scores, unattributed use of photos, software patches, and more! More details and information on how to get an account at <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikis_World>.

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But yes - recommended best practice for organisations is to run their own instance. Putting an instance up on a domain you own is also a clear stamp of authenticity.

I would say that for most chapters/user groups, running their own instance is a lot of work and overkill; having an account on a regional or thematic server would be better. For larger organizations (like the WMF), it's definitely doable and really should be done. So on that note, a big shout out to Wikimedia Deutschland for setting up <https://social.wikimedia.de>! It's really great to see.

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Twitter has stayed up so far, but bits are visibly falling off. The assorted official Wikimedia accounts should be posting in the main federation too, from an official presence.

My understanding is that the WMF has some confidential position on this that it is explicitly choosing not to share with community members.[1] [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T323837#8442502 -- Kunal / Legoktm

Željko Blaće

11:47 a.m.

New subject: Wikimedia_ns on fediverse (Was: Re: Mozilla's social media pledge)

OK now I feel that a bit of Subject-line change was due :-) Thanks for bumping this up via Moz efforts David and all for picking this up for the Wikimedia bubble. On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 3:35 AM Kunal Mehta <legoktm(a)debian.org> wrote:

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On 12/20/22 16:16, David Gerard wrote:

Legoktm runs https://wikis.world which a small number of Wikimedians and WIkimedia groups are already on.

Thanks for promoting us! To clarify, this is absolutely a group effort, with Taavi, Lucas Werkmeister, and Nemo_bis being some of the main people involved.

Thank you for leading and opening up effort + not waiting for the perfect (...the enemy of...) as you also had personal urgency, good combo :-) https://web.archive.org/web/20221012062404/https://mastodon.technology/@leg… Our goal is to build the community organically, so we can take the time

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to properly scale up moderation resources, write documentation, etc. You can browse through our pretty vibrant local timeline, <https://wikis.world/public/local>, with people discussing public domain day, redactle scores, unattributed use of photos, software patches, and more! More details and information on how to get an account at <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikis_World>.

Nice to see there is a start of self-documentation effort also so learning can start for those who want to help or self host. Nice to see a few affiliates already there with official accounts. I subscribed to help + would love to online meet ... in January?

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But yes - recommended best practice for organisations is to run their own instance. Putting an instance up on a domain you own is also a clear stamp of authenticity.

In my experience (with few efforts over the years) different needs form largely strategies including people having separate accounts for projects and different aspects of their lives, but also when grouped different policies especially with the level of moderation, but also form, identity and formality *(most of my artists friends run super open, queer friends fairly closed pods). So on that note, a big shout out to Wikimedia Deutschland for setting up

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<https://social.wikimedia.de>! It's really great to see.

Oh Yes - combination of having FLOSS-push and resources helps. FLOSS Hub (anyone?) would be even better for wider deployments.

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Twitter has stayed up so far, but bits are visibly falling off. The

It is a pity that Twitter needed to become (obviously) toxic for this level of open software/standards discussions to scale up.

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assorted official Wikimedia accounts should be posting in the main federation too, from an official presence.

I doubt there is controversy or business secrets there. Unfortunately it seems that much of WMF's opacity is preemptive workplace (safety) and PR (risk) dynamics :-/ Best Z. Blace

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