On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 8:28 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau <xavier.dengra@protonmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,Which was the outcome of the meeting with Google regarding the misuse of Wikipedia content by Google TV?After almost three months, I’ve seen no change (citation and/or link addition to the article) on the summary of the movie. However, since quite recently they link all titles with their respective Rotten Tomatoes critics at the bottom of the page.I think we should clearly not give up on this.Kind regards,Xavier Dengra
El dt, 30 ag., 2022 a 15:41, Nicholas Perry <nperry@wikimedia.org> va escriure:As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one as well.I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of the copyright obligations that come with using this text.Thanks for surfacing this,NicholasOn Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM <wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to
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1. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Peter Southwood)
2. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Ciell Wikipedia)
3. Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata Queries Using WDQS Tool Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC
(Seyram Komla Sapaty)
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200
From: "Peter Southwood" <peter.southwood@telkomsa.net>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
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If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your copyright.
Cheers, Peter
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Hi all,
I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It came up today <https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full article or to the CC license.
I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License> ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not actually the opposite.
I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
Kind regards,
Xavier Dengra
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:44:04 +0200
From: Ciell Wikipedia <ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
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We had a similar problem with the Dutch KPN interactive tv six years ago,
and as members of the Dutch WP community contacted the tv provider KPN, who
referred us to Metrological <https://www.metrological.com/> for the issue.
Metrological has been very responsive and with the next update of the tv
app the copyright claim was replaced by a cc-by-sa notice for all three tv
providers (KPN, Telfort and XS4All) they served.
As I mentioned, this was in 2016, and I have no idea how the situation is
nowadays, but back then just sending an email and reaching out about the
wrong copyright claim worked for us.
Best,
Ciell
Op di 30 aug. 2022 om 00:41 schreef F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l
<wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It
> came up today on Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ>
> that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in Catalan
> language (which in principle it should be good news regarding language
> normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague realised that
> the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I downloaded the
> app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify anywhere (or
> at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines belong to
> Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full article
> or to the CC license.
>
> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (*Text is
> available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License>*)
> and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's more
> situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to
> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also
> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the
> confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win
> by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even
> a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by
> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not
> actually the opposite.
>
> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about
> the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing
> clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the
> GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google
> in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here
> as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:57:26 +0000
From: Seyram Komla Sapaty <ssapaty@wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata
Queries Using WDQS Tool Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC
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Hello everyone,
This is a friendly reminder that the workshop
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool>
starts in ~5 hours time (UTC 16:00).
Correction:
The previous message pointed to the wrong etherpad doc.
The correct link is here
<https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-queries>.
The description should have also read:
*"This workshop will cover aspects of using the Wikidata Query Service,
with some discussion of ways in which Wikipedias can take advantage of its
capabilities for their own improvement."*
See you soon!
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:47 PM Seyram Komla Sapaty <ssapaty@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> The seventh workshop on the topic of "Writing Wikidata queries using the
> WDQS tool" is coming up - it will take place on Tuesday, August 30th at
> 16:00 UTC.
> You can find more details on the workshop and a link to join here
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool>
> [1].
>
> This session will focus on how to access and save information to Wikidata,
> including through page generators and queries++, using pywikibot.
> It will also cover the Wikidata conventions about bot-editing, including
> the bot approvals process.
>
> To participate in this workshop, you would need basic familiarity with
> Wikidata and Pywikibot installation.
> You can add your discussion ideas on the etherpad doc
> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-pywikibot-scripts>.[2]
>
> We look forward to your participation!
>
> [1]:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool
> [2]: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-pywikibot-scripts
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Seyram Komla Sapaty
> Developer Advocate
> Wikimedia Cloud Services
>
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