Hi Xavier,
The Google team previously followed up with me to say they believe
attribution should now be working in all languages on Google TV including
Catalan, and they provided some images of the attribution.
If you are still seeing this issue would you mind sharing the names of the
pages you're looking at so I can give specific examples to their team
to look into? If you have any screenshots or photos of the pages that are
missing attribution that would be helpful as well.
Thank you,
Nicholas
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 8:28 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau <
xavier.dengra(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nicholas,
Which was the outcome of the meeting with Google regarding the misuse of
Wikipedia content by Google TV?
After almost three months, I’ve seen no change (citation and/or link
addition to the article) on the summary of the movie. However, since
quite recently they link all titles with their respective Rotten Tomatoes
critics at the bottom of the page.
I think we should clearly not give up on this.
Kind regards,
Xavier Dengra
El dt, 30 ag., 2022 a 15:41, Nicholas Perry <nperry(a)wikimedia.org> va
escriure:
As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it
is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the
issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one
as well.
I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of
the copyright obligations that come with using this text.
Thanks for surfacing this,
Nicholas
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> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
> themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who
> created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you
> are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your
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> Hi all,
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> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content.
> It came up today <
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https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB2…
> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in
> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding
> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague
> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I
> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify
> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines
> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the
> full article or to the CC license.
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>
> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available
> under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 <
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attributio…
> ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's
> more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to
> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also
> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the
> confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win
> by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even
> a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by
> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not
> actually the opposite.
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>
>
> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about
> the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing
> clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the
> GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google
> in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here
> as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
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> Kind regards,
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> Xavier Dengra
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