This, to the best of my knowledge, represents the entirety of the WMF's
response to ACTRIAL. To the extent that there was additional feedback
given, it was not given at WP:ACTRIAL, nor any other venue I am aware of.
--Joe
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's the issue I cited above. You haven't
heard more complaints, because
the complaint was pointless the first time and took a massive effort to
produce.
The underlying issue isn't fixed. We're still drowning in crap and spam
from people who never have the slightest intent of editing helpfully, and
those who are newbies who genuinely want to help but need guidance get
caught in the crossfire aimed at the vandals and spammers. It is relatively
rare that when a genuinely new editor's first edit is a creation, it is the
creation of an appropriate article on a workable subject, and that's
normally more by dumb luck than them having actual knowledge that they
should do it.
So, consider that a complaint. The proposed fix didn't work, and most
people at the time didn't figure it would work, but it was clearly the best
we were going to get.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Philippe Beaudette <
pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Todd Allen
<toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's contradicted by, among other things, ACTRIAL as mentioned above.
The
> en.wp community came to a clear consensus for a major change, and the
WMF
shrugged
and said "Nah, rather not."
That's... Not exactly what I remember happening there. What I remember
was
that a pretty good number (~500) of enwiki
community members came
together
and agreed on a problem, and one plan for how to
fix it and asked the
WMF
to implement it. The WMF evaluated it, and saw a
threat to a basic
project
value. WMF then asked "what's the
problem you're actually trying to
solve?", and proposed and built a set of tools to directly address that
problem without compromising the core value of openness. And it seems to
have worked out pretty well because I haven't heard a ton of complaints
about that problem since.
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Director, Community Advocacy
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